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Felids vs Canids at parity, who's stronger?; Who's stronger and most capable in a fight at parity?
Topic Started: Jul 31 2012, 11:41 AM (44,650 Views)
Vivec
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k9boy
Mar 28 2013, 08:53 PM
Why do you think a wolf is stronger then a leopard at parity?
Data I posted on another thread showed that the Cougar was stronger than the Grey Wolf, but the Grey Wolf is stronger than a leopard. Why would a Leopard be stronger?
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Ursus panthera
Mar 28 2013, 08:57 PM
He is a cat hater and Over rates Canids at every chance it is senseless really dogs are weaker
Because an Eland killing a T Rex is so much more believable. Don't generalize when you have no data to prove it.

P.S: I said my self the Cougar is stronger, it seems you can't comprehend that.
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Mar 28 2013, 08:53 PM
Why do you think a wolf is stronger then a leopard at parity?
They are actually stronger in pushing and balance than the leopard or puma (Postcranial Morphology Thread) though it ain't significant. The two cats are stronger in pretty much everything else (unless you count the dire wolf and bone crusher dogs)
Edited by Black Ice, Mar 28 2013, 09:07 PM.
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but you just assume a leopard is weaker?
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Mar 28 2013, 08:22 PM
and a stronger neck the majority of times.

Id say felines have stronger necks, their necks are shorter then dogs and a shorter neck equates to more strength as well has having more strength in the shoulder and upper limbs and they can apply their strength far better then dogs having a more mobile body and limbs.
dogs like to tug and rip but this cant really be applied if they get knocked of their feet.
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Mar 28 2013, 09:06 PM
k9boy
Mar 28 2013, 08:53 PM
Why do you think a wolf is stronger then a leopard at parity?
They are actually stronger in pushing and balance than the leopard or puma (Postcranial Morphology Thread) though it ain't significant. The two cats are stronger in pretty much everything else (unless you count the dire wolf and bone crusher dogs)
Don't be stupid, leopards can drag 100kg carcass up to 30 metres in trees.
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Mar 28 2013, 09:06 PM
They are actually stronger in pushing and balance
What?? that doesnt even make any sence?? a feline will out balance any dog, they have far better muscle control.
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Dogs have stronger necks than cats. That should be obvious, cats have shorter jaws as well, yet dogs bite harder. Shorter does not equal stronger.
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Mar 28 2013, 09:09 PM
Black Ice
Mar 28 2013, 09:06 PM
They are actually stronger in pushing and balance
What?? that doesnt even make any sence?? a feline will out balance any dog, they have far better muscle control.
So you once thought! Evidence says otherwise.
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Mar 28 2013, 09:07 PM
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Mar 28 2013, 08:22 PM
and a stronger neck the majority of times.

Id say felines have stronger necks, their necks are shorter then dogs and a shorter neck equates to more strength as well has having more strength in the shoulder and upper limbs and they can apply their strength far better then dogs having a more mobile body and limbs.
dogs like to tug and rip but this cant really be applied if they get knocked of their feet.
Exactly, they are overall more powerful than any canids they need to be to survive against wolf packs if they were weak
then they would be exctinct.
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Mar 28 2013, 09:07 PM
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Mar 28 2013, 08:22 PM
and a stronger neck the majority of times.

Id say felines have stronger necks, their necks are shorter then dogs and a shorter neck equates to more strength as well has having more strength in the shoulder and upper limbs and they can apply their strength far better then dogs having a more mobile body and limbs.
dogs like to tug and rip but this cant really be applied if they get knocked of their feet.
Where'd you get that from? It isn't a shorter neck which means strength, but rather neck thickness, of which a Wolf definitely has a lot of. A Feline in general would have stronger forelimbs for at least grappling and pulling down their prey, but for the majority of cases a Wolf would have a stronger upper region and hind limbs.
Canids, if knocked off their feet will most likely struggle and bite at the opponent, giving them enough time to get back on their feet.

Jack Russel Terriers would have a stronger neck than similar sized felids, and canines in general would need stronger neck muscles for dragging heavy carcasses and objects around in the snow.
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Mar 28 2013, 09:08 PM
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Mar 28 2013, 09:06 PM
k9boy
Mar 28 2013, 08:53 PM
Why do you think a wolf is stronger then a leopard at parity?
They are actually stronger in pushing and balance than the leopard or puma (Postcranial Morphology Thread) though it ain't significant. The two cats are stronger in pretty much everything else (unless you count the dire wolf and bone crusher dogs)
Don't be stupid, leopards can drag 100kg carcass up to 30 metres in trees.
And? Dragging it up a tree doesn't make it anymore impressive, especially since most larger carcasses were already half eaten, taking out most of the kills body weight.
I'l admit the Leopards neck is more impressive than a Wolves when it drags a Male Eland up a tree.
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Leopards need powerful jaws/ neck for pulling carcass up the tree, wolves can never do this.
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Mar 28 2013, 09:16 PM
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Mar 28 2013, 09:06 PM
k9boy
Mar 28 2013, 08:53 PM
Why do you think a wolf is stronger then a leopard at parity?
They are actually stronger in pushing and balance than the leopard or puma (Postcranial Morphology Thread) though it ain't significant. The two cats are stronger in pretty much everything else (unless you count the dire wolf and bone crusher dogs)
Don't be stupid, leopards can drag 100kg carcass up to 30 metres in trees.
And? Dragging it up a tree doesn't make it anymore impressive, especially since most larger carcasses were already half eaten, taking out most of the kills body weight.
I'l admit the Leopards neck is more impressive than a Wolves when it drags a Male Eland up a tree.
You complete idiot they do not kill elands let alone drag 1000kg
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Mar 28 2013, 09:16 PM
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Mar 28 2013, 09:08 PM
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Mar 28 2013, 09:06 PM
k9boy
Mar 28 2013, 08:53 PM
Why do you think a wolf is stronger then a leopard at parity?
They are actually stronger in pushing and balance than the leopard or puma (Postcranial Morphology Thread) though it ain't significant. The two cats are stronger in pretty much everything else (unless you count the dire wolf and bone crusher dogs)
Don't be stupid, leopards can drag 100kg carcass up to 30 metres in trees.
And? Dragging it up a tree doesn't make it anymore impressive, especially since most larger carcasses were already half eaten, taking out most of the kills body weight.
I'l admit the Leopards neck is more impressive than a Wolves when it drags a Male Eland up a tree.
I've got UP on ignore so I can't even see his posts lol untill you quoted it.
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