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Felids vs Canids at parity, who's stronger?; Who's stronger and most capable in a fight at parity?
Topic Started: Jul 31 2012, 11:41 AM (44,647 Views)
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Jesus christ, even dogs under 15kg can't be accepted now? Canids must be some weak ass predators.
No not weak ass predators, just weaker then felines lol
Under what circumstance exactly? Some canids are stronger than felids, some felids stronger than canids. You can't place a whole group of animals under the same position.
in fact this topic is a no sense.

Pantheras vs coyote?
Edited by Kurtz, Apr 2 2013, 09:32 PM.
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Apr 2 2013, 09:18 PM
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Apr 2 2013, 06:07 AM
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Jesus christ, even dogs under 15kg can't be accepted now? Canids must be some weak ass predators.
No not weak ass predators, just weaker then felines lol
Under what circumstance exactly? Some canids are stronger than felids, some felids stronger than canids. You can't place a whole group of animals under the same position.
in fact this topic is a no sense.

Pantheras vs coyote?
Of course a Pantherine is going to have more strength than a Coyote, they're like 8 times bigger. Take them down to the exact same weight and their strength should be similar.

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Apr 2 2013, 09:18 PM
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Apr 2 2013, 06:07 AM
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Jesus christ, even dogs under 15kg can't be accepted now? Canids must be some weak ass predators.
No not weak ass predators, just weaker then felines lol
Under what circumstance exactly? Some canids are stronger than felids, some felids stronger than canids. You can't place a whole group of animals under the same position.
in fact this topic is a no sense.

Pantheras vs coyote?
Of course a Pantherine is going to have more strength than a Coyote, they're like 8 times bigger. Take them down to the exact same weight and their strength should be similar.

not similar, pantheras are too much short rounded and mantaine an impressive size of neck head, so i give the edge to pantheras at parity.
But if we consider the exinct canidae we could find some similar or stronger than pantheras
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Apr 2 2013, 06:07 AM
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Jesus christ, even dogs under 15kg can't be accepted now? Canids must be some weak ass predators.
No not weak ass predators, just weaker then felines lol
Under what circumstance exactly? Some canids are stronger than felids, some felids stronger than canids. You can't place a whole group of animals under the same position.
in fact this topic is a no sense.

Pantheras vs coyote?
Of course a Pantherine is going to have more strength than a Coyote, they're like 8 times bigger. Take them down to the exact same weight and their strength should be similar.

not similar, pantheras are too much short rounded and mantaine an impressive size of neck head, so i give the edge to pantheras at parity.
But if we consider the exinct canidae we could find some similar or stronger than pantheras
Indeed. If we added excinct canids I would give the canids the advantage overall when it comes to overlap ing weights. Not justat smaller weights where they dominate now.
Such animals posessed huge heads, graplling forelimbs as wel as the versitile canid grappling mouth.
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Not justat smaller weights where they dominate now.
Dominate??? dominate what??
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Not sure about higher weights, but canids definitely dominate felids at smaller weights, it would take an exceptional cat to kill a red fox or a terrier it's own size.
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Not justat smaller weights where they dominate now.
Dominate??? dominate what??
Uh cats duh!
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Apr 3 2013, 01:02 AM
Not sure about higher weights, but canids definitely dominate felids at smaller weights, it would take an exceptional cat to kill a red fox or a terrier it's own size.
If you include extinct canids I would favor them over felines when it came to overlapping higher weights.
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Not sure about higher weights, but canids definitely dominate felids at smaller weights, it would take an exceptional cat to kill a red fox or a terrier it's own size.
Really and you have proof of this do you?

To me is seems the smaller domestic cat dominates foxes and ive not seen a domestic dog that is the same size of a cat dominate it.
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I've seen images of a terrier (about the same size of a domestic cat) fighting a cat and it completely trashed it. The images were no surprise, however. That was expected. With exceptions canids generally dominate small felids comfortably. Suggesting that a domestic cat could best small dogs like terriers is just stupid. Maybe you're stupid, feline power.
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Not sure about higher weights, but canids definitely dominate felids at smaller weights, it would take an exceptional cat to kill a red fox or a terrier it's own size.
Wikipedia: Bobcat
Adult males can range in weight from 6.4 to 18.3 kg (14 to 40 lb), with an average of 9.6 kg (21 lb); females at 4 to 15.3 kg (8.8 to 34 lb), with an average of 6.8 kg

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Pyrenean Shepherd
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrenean_Shepherd
Smooth-faced males are 15 ½ (39 cm) to 21 (53 cm) inches at the withers, and smooth-faced females are 15 ½ (39 cm) to 20 ½ (52 cm) inches at the withers. The weight is between 15-32 lbs (7–15 kg


similar weight, i don't think that your rule applies to this matchup
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Not sure about higher weights, but canids definitely dominate felids at smaller weights, it would take an exceptional cat to kill a red fox or a terrier it's own size.
Wikipedia: Bobcat
Adult males can range in weight from 6.4 to 18.3 kg (14 to 40 lb), with an average of 9.6 kg (21 lb); females at 4 to 15.3 kg (8.8 to 34 lb), with an average of 6.8 kg

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eg.
Pyrenean Shepherd
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrenean_Shepherd
Smooth-faced males are 15 ½ (39 cm) to 21 (53 cm) inches at the withers, and smooth-faced females are 15 ½ (39 cm) to 20 ½ (52 cm) inches at the withers. The weight is between 15-32 lbs (7–15 kg


similar weight, i don't think that your rule applies to this matchup
But it does with a staffordshire

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Or coyote (40 pounds)

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Numerous domestic dog breeds within 20-40 pounds (larger bobcats would still be outclassed e.g. record bobcats, weighing 50+ would have no chance against pitbulls, bulldogs, wolves etc etc.


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Not sure about higher weights, but canids definitely dominate felids at smaller weights, it would take an exceptional cat to kill a red fox or a terrier it's own size.
Really and you have proof of this do you?

To me is seems the smaller domestic cat dominates foxes and ive not seen a domestic dog that is the same size of a cat dominate it.
Taken from a UK based hunting forum'

"my terriers just love cats they will go mental if they see one and if they get to one its dead !! had the cops around a few times about the dogs killing cats up the field but they have got the message now , cats are classed as property under english law and have no rights if there out and about trespasing on other peoples ground"

Taken from www.Jackrusselterrier.co.uk


"I have had my female Jack Russell now since it was just a few months old. It is now 7 years old (Human Years) and my family keep suggesting to me that I have it put down. The reason for this being the following...

"We have lived in our current house for around 6 years with my Jack Russell. During this time we have had 3 cats. The first cat we had was during the first 2 years at our house. During this time, the cat & dog got along fine together, but late one evening we heard the cat screaming from a downstairs room and having gone to check on it, we saw that the dog was attacking it to which I have no idea why. Due to this, we had to give the cat away to a home without a dog."

"There can be no argument that foxes are capable of killing cats and, in some instances, they do; such incidents, however, are not common and are not considered a significant source of domestic cat mortality" -

"At about 3.30 in the morning I was awaken by a kind of strangled cat wail. I live in a surburban area with flats opposite and we often have cats fights so running to the window (we have a very large cat who often fights!) we were very shocked to see a medium size fox dragging a struggling cat by the scruff of the neck infront of the flats - about 15 metres, stopping to readjust and then across the road towards our house.  At that point (another 10 metres) my friend made a loud hissing noise not knowing what else to do and this startled the fox which dropped the cat. The cat immediately ran very fast away while the fox looked up an then started walking past our house (opposite direction from where it had been running with the cat), looking at the house then glancing back towards where the cat had run. The fox was just walking slowly and calmly away. It was not our cat, but it was a medium size cat, not small or 'kitten looking' and it ran fast away very fast."

"My grandfather, who was a farmer in Sussex, often berated fox lovers, citing an instance of his farm cats being dragged screaming down the road by a fox which killed it despite being chased - in daylight."
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Not sure about higher weights, but canids definitely dominate felids at smaller weights, it would take an exceptional cat to kill a red fox or a terrier it's own size.
Wikipedia: Bobcat
Adult males can range in weight from 6.4 to 18.3 kg (14 to 40 lb), with an average of 9.6 kg (21 lb); females at 4 to 15.3 kg (8.8 to 34 lb), with an average of 6.8 kg

vs

eg.
Pyrenean Shepherd
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrenean_Shepherd
Smooth-faced males are 15 ½ (39 cm) to 21 (53 cm) inches at the withers, and smooth-faced females are 15 ½ (39 cm) to 20 ½ (52 cm) inches at the withers. The weight is between 15-32 lbs (7–15 kg


similar weight, i don't think that your rule applies to this matchup
Yeah a bobcat would kill that dog, but by smaller weights I mean housecat sized and under, I class bobcats and other respectively sized felids as medium weights, I personally think that at medium weights, coyote vs bobcat e.t.c are the most debatable since neither holds too large an advantage over the other.
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