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| Felids vs Canids at parity, who's stronger?; Who's stronger and most capable in a fight at parity? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 31 2012, 11:41 AM (44,641 Views) | |
| Sleipnir | Nov 17 2014, 03:42 AM Post #391 |
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Steed of the Deathless
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Assuming there was a 500kg amphicyon ingens,it was the only dog like caniformid I could think of that could reach exceptional weights, would it be stronger that a 500 kg smilodon populator? |
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| Mauro20 | Nov 17 2014, 06:22 AM Post #392 |
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Badass
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I doubt it - Smilodons were very robust and muscular, probably more than any canid. |
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| Sleipnir | Nov 17 2014, 06:25 AM Post #393 |
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Steed of the Deathless
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True |
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| kingkazma | Nov 17 2014, 06:57 AM Post #394 |
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Apex Predator
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Except for maybe borophagus. |
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| Inhumanum Rapax | Nov 17 2014, 09:18 AM Post #395 |
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Parabola Vita
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While borophaginae dogs were very robust, I doubt they were to the extent smilodon populator was.
Edited by Inhumanum Rapax, Nov 17 2014, 09:20 AM.
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| Black Ice | Nov 17 2014, 11:10 AM Post #396 |
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Drom King
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I don't |
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| Inhumanum Rapax | Nov 17 2014, 02:35 PM Post #397 |
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Parabola Vita
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How robust do you think they were? if you don't think they were less robust than populator. |
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| maker | Nov 21 2014, 10:49 AM Post #398 |
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Apex Predator
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Canidae > Felinae at same weight:http://carnivoraforum.com/topic/9346547/1/ Pantherinae > Felinae and Canidae at same weight: http://carnivoraforum.com/topic/9334310/1/ |
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| Full Throttle | Nov 21 2014, 10:55 AM Post #399 |
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Apex Predator
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15 kg and under canids hold a clear advantage. Around 50 kg the cats come into a league of there own. |
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| maker | Nov 21 2014, 11:07 AM Post #400 |
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Apex Predator
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Look at the wolf cougar skulls, the cougar is likely heavier but their canine teeth are almost same size and wolf's skull is larger. |
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| Sleipnir | Nov 21 2014, 11:09 AM Post #401 |
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Steed of the Deathless
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That bone size can't be right, the rest of the wolfs body must be like 160~lbs if the skull is that large. |
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| Bandog | Nov 21 2014, 12:07 PM Post #402 |
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Everything else is just a dog.
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There's much more to it than skulls, a wolf skull would also appear large next to a leopards for example |
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| FelinePowah | Nov 21 2014, 03:53 PM Post #403 |
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Pussy Lover
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And what might that be??? |
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| kuri | Nov 21 2014, 03:58 PM Post #404 |
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Omnivore
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what is this.. the skull of a cougar kitten and and the biggest wolf ever? |
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| Molosser | Nov 21 2014, 04:27 PM Post #405 |
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Ursids, Canids, and amphycionids
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Depends on the cat and the dog in question. The now extinct borophagins were stronger than most similar sized cats. As for extant canids.... I think big cars can wrestle better though they're not necessarily stronger lb for lb. modern would canids aren't especially robust, so a 130 lbs cougar may overpower a 130 lbs wolf but that same cougar would struggle to do the same with a 130 lbs ovcharka/kangal/boerboel I'm not saying it'd be a mismatch bc cats don't rely exclusively on their ability to overpower their prey in a hunt, for example I don't think a 150 kg lioness is stronger than a 400 kg zebra stallion, we also have accounts of male tigers killing bull gaurs and I doubt a 220 kg tiger can overpower a 800-1000 kg bull. Cats can grapple better than dogs, but grappling ability isn't enough to overpower a similar sized opponent imo, what grappling does though is help the cat latch onto and close in for a kill, but if you ask me, canids have better bites and stronger necks/jaws for their size, they also have bigger heads. Hope that helps! |
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