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Felids vs Canids at parity, who's stronger?; Who's stronger and most capable in a fight at parity?
Topic Started: Jul 31 2012, 11:41 AM (44,639 Views)
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RaimundoPedrosa
Jun 5 2015, 03:06 AM
Leopards actually can pull elands up tress.
Please provide evidence of leopards pulling adult elands up trees.
Edited by maker, Jun 5 2015, 06:55 AM.
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15 kg and under canids hold a clear advantage.

And what might that be???
You need only look at an Earthdog and what it's capable of to see it would prevail over most cats in it's weight range.

Felids at this size couldn't hope to effectively tackle a badger like a terrier can, there bones and teeth are designed for small prey.
He asks the same question in every thread whether you slapped him in the face with the most simple answer you could possibly fathom.

I don't see how you can keep answering his redundancy lol
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Check these domestic cats out.. speed & strike power..
..dogs cannot reach out & strike hit ( with sharp, shredding claws) fast & hard like these critters..

Vs Dog https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLuXgedte8Y

VS Fox https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqTg_L6Hhpc ( action @ ~1:15 in)

Vs Bear (cub, but well above 'parity') https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi-T3CSXUI0 ( action @ ~1:35 in)


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Jun 5 2015, 06:55 AM
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Jun 5 2015, 03:06 AM
Leopards actually can pull elands up tress.
Please provide evidence of leopards pulling adult elands up trees.
No problem! National Geographic is a much credible source than any of the posters, including myself, here lmfao. Not even a contest. National Geographic scientist, Elad Koren, took a picture of a leopard carrying its kill, and contributed it to the National Geographic article, "Leopard Panthera pardus" by Elad Koren. Koren writes, "Remarkable agility enables leopards to carry two or three times their weight up trees, from which they both look for prey to hunt and protect it after the kill from other predators, primarily hyenas" (Koren). This statement and observation by the scientist clearly shows that leopards CAN carry up trees two to three times their weight. Therefore, those saying that leopards are incapable of doing so are clearly wrong, and the National Geographic community, observing these animals in action, states that they clearly can. National Geographic holds greater credibility than do any posters on here.

http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/mammals/leopard/ Here's the link :)
Edited by RaimundoPedrosa, Jun 7 2015, 03:11 AM.
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This statement and observation by the scientist clearly shows that leopards CAN carry up trees two to three times their weight.
Adult leopards weigh between 23 and 91 kg, 2-3 times this will be between 46-69 and 182-273 kg. Adult common elands weigh between 300 and 942 kg.
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This statement and observation by the scientist clearly shows that leopards CAN carry up trees two to three times their weight.
Adult leopards weigh between 23 and 91 kg, 2-3 times this will be between 46-69 and 182-273 kg. Adult common elands weigh between 300 and 942 kg.
Oh, whoops, my bad, you're right! Thanks for the correction :) Leopards weigh from 66-176 pounds, so the prey that they can kill is from 132-352 pounds or 198-528 pounds. And an adult male eland can weigh up to 2,200 pounds- OVER A TON! Okay, yeah, even an adult lion, weighing from 265 to 420 pounds, cannot kill an adult male eland on its own.

However, this doesn't change the fact that, pound for pound, leopards are VERY deadly and impressive. Leopards killing 2 or 3 times their prey at all is already very impressive, as is climbing up a tree... but climbing up a tree WITH 2-3 times your weight to carry WITH YOU?! Now, that's insanely impressive and does prove cats' superior strength pound for pound.

Cats against bears pound for pound is a much better matchup. Like, a cougar against a sun bear at parity should be dead even, 50/50 (though the leopard would beat the sun bear 60/40 at parity).
Edited by RaimundoPedrosa, Jun 7 2015, 11:20 AM.
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Jun 7 2015, 11:17 AM
And an adult male eland can weigh up to 2,200 pounds- OVER A TON! Okay, yeah, even an adult lion, weighing from 265 to 420 pounds, cannot kill an adult male eland on its own.
That's not the average, also:


A leopard was observed to kill a bull eland:
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Jun 7 2015, 03:11 AM
This statement and observation by the scientist clearly shows that leopards CAN carry up trees two to three times their weight.
Adult leopards weigh between 23 and 91 kg, 2-3 times this will be between 46-69 and 182-273 kg. Adult common elands weigh between 300 and 942 kg.
There is never been an account of a Leopard pulling an eland up a tree but there is an account of a Leopard killing a male Eland which is extremely impressive. I have see leopards pull rhino calves, zebra juveniles impalla up tree's though. I think its safe to say a leopard can pull 1 to 2 times its own body weight up a tree, max. Still extremely impressive though.
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Wolf dragging pray in Germany

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Oct 3 2015, 04:23 AM
Wolf dragging pray in Germany

A leopard can still drag up to THREE times its weight UP A TREE! Not just on the floor like a wolf can, but UP A TREE! This is really one sided; cats are much stronger pound for pound. And cougars can drag large prey like deers up trees, as well. This is hardly a debate; cats are much stronger pound for pound.

http://animals.howstuffworks.com/mammals/leopard-prey1.htm

http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/mammals/leopard/

Leopards drag up to THREE times their weight.

Cats versus bears, or cats versus hyenas is much closer but even in that scenario, the cats have a slight edge (though not nearly as great as in this thread).
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Oct 19 2015, 05:49 AM
A leopard can still drag up to THREE times its weight UP A TREE! Not just on the floor like a wolf can, but UP A TREE! This is really one sided; cats are much stronger pound for pound. And cougars can drag large prey like deers up trees, as well. This is hardly a debate; cats are much stronger pound for pound.
Well that's obvious, canids are physiologically less capable of dragging things up to trees, not because they're weaker, but their bodies are not designed for the activity. If you're comparing who's stronger at parity in practice, you should compare activities which both animals are physically capable of, such as dragging things on the ground.
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Oct 19 2015, 04:35 PM
Well that's obvious, canids are physiologically less capable of dragging things up to trees, not because they're weaker, but their bodies are not designed for the activity. If you're comparing who's stronger at parity in practice, you should compare activities which both animals are physically capable of, such as dragging things on the ground.
i doubt a wolf is able to drag a 100kg giraffe up a tree, if he had the required physical attributes (like claws).
http://www.southafrica-travel.net/Tiere/e_leopa.htm
Most humans have a problem to climb up a tree,...with 20kg (additional weight) it is a challenge... with 50kg nearly impossible...with 100kg..come on.
I think this is a good example to evaluate the power of a leopard. This task requires a lot of muscles.
Neck muscle....leg muscle...abdominal muscle..shoulder muscle.
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Oct 19 2015, 04:47 PM
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Oct 19 2015, 04:35 PM
Well that's obvious, canids are physiologically less capable of dragging things up to trees, not because they're weaker, but their bodies are not designed for the activity. If you're comparing who's stronger at parity in practice, you should compare activities which both animals are physically capable of, such as dragging things on the ground.
i doubt a wolf is able to drag a 100kg giraffe up a tree, if he had the required physical attributes (like claws).
http://www.southafrica-travel.net/Tiere/e_leopa.htm
Most humans have a problem to climb up a tree,...with 20kg (additional weight) it is a challenge... with 50kg nearly impossible...with 100kg..come on.
I think this is a good example to evaluate the power of a leopard. This task requires a lot of muscles.
Neck muscle....leg muscle...abdominal muscle..shoulder muscle.
"Most humans have a problem to climb up a tree,...with 20kg (additional weight) it is a challenge... with 50kg nearly impossible...with 100kg..come on."

I agree that Most humans have a problem to climb up a tree,...with 20kg but this man with tree climbing spikes?

"Heaviest total weighted Pull up with 402 lbs"
http://challengers.guinnessworldrecords.com/suggestions/19

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Oct 19 2015, 04:47 PM
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Oct 19 2015, 04:35 PM
Well that's obvious, canids are physiologically less capable of dragging things up to trees, not because they're weaker, but their bodies are not designed for the activity. If you're comparing who's stronger at parity in practice, you should compare activities which both animals are physically capable of, such as dragging things on the ground.
i doubt a wolf is able to drag a 100kg giraffe up a tree, if he had the required physical attributes (like claws).<br />http://www.southafrica-travel.net/Tiere/e_leopa.htm<br />Most humans have a problem to climb up a tree,...with 20kg (additional weight) it is a challenge... with 50kg nearly impossible...with 100kg..come on.<br />I think this is a good example to evaluate the power of a leopard. This task requires a lot of muscles.<br />Neck muscle....leg muscle...abdominal muscle..shoulder muscle.<br />
"Most humans have a problem to climb up a tree,...with 20kg (additional weight) it is a challenge... with 50kg nearly impossible...with 100kg..come on."



"Heaviest total weighted Pull up with 402 lbs"
http://challengers.guinnessworldrecords.com/suggestions/19
I agree that most humans have a problem to climb up a tree,...with 20kg but this man with tree climbing spikes?
Edited by Warsaw2014, Oct 19 2015, 08:43 PM.
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Oct 19 2015, 04:47 PM
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Oct 19 2015, 04:35 PM
Well that's obvious, canids are physiologically less capable of dragging things up to trees, not because they're weaker, but their bodies are not designed for the activity. If you're comparing who's stronger at parity in practice, you should compare activities which both animals are physically capable of, such as dragging things on the ground.
i doubt a wolf is able to drag a 100kg giraffe up a tree, if he had the required physical attributes (like claws).
http://www.southafrica-travel.net/Tiere/e_leopa.htm
Most humans have a problem to climb up a tree,...with 20kg (additional weight) it is a challenge... with 50kg nearly impossible...with 100kg..come on.
I think this is a good example to evaluate the power of a leopard. This task requires a lot of muscles.
Neck muscle....leg muscle...abdominal muscle..shoulder muscle.
"Most humans have a problem to climb up a tree,...with 20kg (additional weight) it is a challenge... with 50kg nearly impossible...with 100kg..come on."

I agree that Most humans have a problem to climb up a tree,...with 20kg but this man with tree climbing spikes?

"Heaviest total weighted Pull up with 402 lbs"
http://challengers.guinnessworldrecords.com/suggestions/19

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Oct 19 2015, 04:47 PM
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Oct 19 2015, 04:35 PM
Well that's obvious, canids are physiologically less capable of dragging things up to trees, not because they're weaker, but their bodies are not designed for the activity. If you're comparing who's stronger at parity in practice, you should compare activities which both animals are physically capable of, such as dragging things on the ground.
i doubt a wolf is able to drag a 100kg giraffe up a tree, if he had the required physical attributes (like claws).<br />http://www.southafrica-travel.net/Tiere/e_leopa.htm<br />Most humans have a problem to climb up a tree,...with 20kg (additional weight) it is a challenge... with 50kg nearly impossible...with 100kg..come on.<br />I think this is a good example to evaluate the power of a leopard. This task requires a lot of muscles.<br />Neck muscle....leg muscle...abdominal muscle..shoulder muscle.<br />
"Most humans have a problem to climb up a tree,...with 20kg (additional weight) it is a challenge... with 50kg nearly impossible...with 100kg..come on."



"Heaviest total weighted Pull up with 402 lbs"
http://challengers.guinnessworldrecords.com/suggestions/19
I agree that most humans have a problem to climb up a tree,...with 20kg but this man with tree climbing spikes?
thats not like climbing at all.
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Their both stronger in diffrent catagorys.
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