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Felids vs Canids at parity, who's stronger?; Who's stronger and most capable in a fight at parity?
Topic Started: Jul 31 2012, 11:41 AM (44,665 Views)
Black Ice
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^ did I not just tell this idiot you cant see strength from a animals limb thickness thiness as its fur fat and bone in which is making up how the limb looks.
sheeple will be sheeple lol
Read the damned thread instead of being dumb and comparing a small animal to one over twice its size
Edited by Black Ice, Jul 31 2012, 08:20 PM.
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Jul 31 2012, 08:16 PM
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Jul 31 2012, 08:08 PM
I keep fucking tellin him you cant judge strength by looking at the limb but hes to much of a damn catboy to get it through his dense head
So a wolf limbs are just as strong as a sun bears limbs......doh
So a Salukis limbs are just as strong as a clouded Leopards limbs

Really lol
READ THE F**CKING THREAD, BEFORE YOU REPLY.
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He fails to realise I said you cannot judge strength by looking at the limbs
I didnt ever say animal a is more powerful than animal b
Of course when it comes to his beloved cats all logic is replaced by bias in his thick head
Edited by Black Ice, Jul 31 2012, 08:30 PM.
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Starkiller, At parity who do you think is stronger, A male wolf or a male cougar?


And a question to ursus (or whoever knows the answer) Is a cougar the larger equivalent to felis silvestris? Some people say that its anatomy and build is that of a normal housecat, but 10x the size.
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A cougars limbs are more robust
Robust doesnt necessarily equal strength however im not saying the wolf is stronger
I never said a wolf was as strong or stronger
I just said you cannot judge a animals strength from its limb thickness/thiness
Yet felinepowah wont process that simple thought in his brain
And no it may be similiarly built but the anatomy is different
Edited by Black Ice, Jul 31 2012, 08:34 PM.
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There appearance is different, but if you skinned both animals and (somehow) scaled them up to the same size I think they would look quite similar (with the cougar having significantly larger muscles).
Edited by k9boy, Jul 31 2012, 08:42 PM.
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Jul 31 2012, 08:16 PM
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Jul 31 2012, 08:08 PM
I keep fucking tellin him you cant judge strength by looking at the limb but hes to much of a damn catboy to get it through his dense head
So a wolf limbs are just as strong as a sun bears limbs......doh
So a Salukis limbs are just as strong as a clouded Leopards limbs

Really lol

So a Smilodon wasnt strong cus it was well muscled it was strong cus it was flexible, so it just looked muscular but really those muscles where just made of air!!!
Smilodon had larger bones to support its musculature. Looking at anatomical differences is a good way to see who would have an edge in strength, as opposed to appearances.
For example, at weight parity, a cougar would exert more force than a wolf in its limbs because it has shorter, more robust limbs. Hence also why most people assume the lynx family to be less impressive than other cats.
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Jul 31 2012, 08:22 PM
READ THE F**CKING THREAD, BEFORE YOU REPLY.
the paper you posted is nice, but far too theoretical.
It's a fact, canidae and felidae have a different muscle type.
Canidae..more endurance and felidae more explosion power.
And as i said before, no use for a movement means no muscles for this movement.

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Jul 31 2012, 09:19 PM
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Jul 31 2012, 08:22 PM
READ THE F**CKING THREAD, BEFORE YOU REPLY.
the paper you posted is nice, but far too theoretical.
It's a fact, canidae and felidae have a different muscle type.
Canidae..more endurance and felidae more explosion power.
And as i said before, no use for a movement means no muscles for this movement.

Some of what you are saying is correct, eg cougars forearm muscles as a result of gripping prey with rotatable wrists. Some is incorrect, dogs do actually jump. What I take from the muscle info thread with regards to cats v dogs is that at parity, the cat will be unable to subdue the dog completely with its arms.
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Jul 31 2012, 09:38 PM
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Jul 31 2012, 09:19 PM
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Jul 31 2012, 08:22 PM
READ THE F**CKING THREAD, BEFORE YOU REPLY.
the paper you posted is nice, but far too theoretical.
It's a fact, canidae and felidae have a different muscle type.
Canidae..more endurance and felidae more explosion power.
And as i said before, no use for a movement means no muscles for this movement.

Some of what you are saying is correct, eg cougars forearm muscles as a result of gripping prey with rotatable wrists. Some is incorrect, dogs do actually jump. What I take from the muscle info thread with regards to cats v dogs is that at parity, the cat will be unable to subdue the dog completely with its arms.
Cats can subdue dogs with a combination of arm and body strength.
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Starkiller
Jul 31 2012, 08:32 PM
A cougars limbs are more robust
Robust doesnt necessarily equal strength however im not saying the wolf is stronger
I never said a wolf was as strong or stronger
I just said you cannot judge a animals strength from its limb thickness/thiness
Yet felinepowah wont process that simple thought in his brain
And no it may be similiarly built but the anatomy is different
Errm you said that a wolfs limbs are as strong as a pumas, now your saying they are not....
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Jul 31 2012, 07:56 PM
Scaling up makes them WEAKER!Thats helping the cats is why im saying you cant parity fight 2 animals when ones bigger by a good amount
Why does it make them weaker? Only at party, but not in whole terms.
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Jul 31 2012, 09:44 PM
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Jul 31 2012, 09:38 PM
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Jul 31 2012, 09:19 PM
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Jul 31 2012, 08:22 PM
READ THE F**CKING THREAD, BEFORE YOU REPLY.
the paper you posted is nice, but far too theoretical.
It's a fact, canidae and felidae have a different muscle type.
Canidae..more endurance and felidae more explosion power.
And as i said before, no use for a movement means no muscles for this movement.

Some of what you are saying is correct, eg cougars forearm muscles as a result of gripping prey with rotatable wrists. Some is incorrect, dogs do actually jump. What I take from the muscle info thread with regards to cats v dogs is that at parity, the cat will be unable to subdue the dog completely with its arms.
Cats can subdue dogs with a combination of arm and body strength.
The muscle info thread indicates that at similar weights, this is incorrect.
The cats bulkier musculature is likely the result of the greater range of movement it's body allows. More muscles equals greater range of movement as opposed to greater strength.
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Jul 31 2012, 08:19 PM
^ did I not just tell this idiot you cant see strength from a animals limb thickness thiness as its fur fat and bone in which is making up how the limb looks.
Well i can look at a wolf and then look at a puma and its plain as day to see which one will have the stronger limbs.

I think you have forgotten what you are even arguing about as you seen to keep changing your replys.
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Jul 31 2012, 09:50 PM
k9boy
Jul 31 2012, 09:44 PM
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Jul 31 2012, 09:38 PM
kuri
Jul 31 2012, 09:19 PM
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Jul 31 2012, 08:22 PM
READ THE F**CKING THREAD, BEFORE YOU REPLY.
the paper you posted is nice, but far too theoretical.
It's a fact, canidae and felidae have a different muscle type.
Canidae..more endurance and felidae more explosion power.
And as i said before, no use for a movement means no muscles for this movement.

Some of what you are saying is correct, eg cougars forearm muscles as a result of gripping prey with rotatable wrists. Some is incorrect, dogs do actually jump. What I take from the muscle info thread with regards to cats v dogs is that at parity, the cat will be unable to subdue the dog completely with its arms.
Cats can subdue dogs with a combination of arm and body strength.
The muscle info thread indicates that at similar weights, this is incorrect.
The cats bulkier musculature is likely the result of the greater range of movement it's body allows. More muscles equals greater range of movement as opposed to greater strength.
What??? so a bodybuilder isnt stronger then a normal man he just has more movement!!! lol
Gymnastics require lots of movment and from all that movment comes lots of strength.

Are you drunk??
Edited by FelinePowah, Jul 31 2012, 09:56 PM.
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