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| Felids vs Canids at parity, who's stronger?; Who's stronger and most capable in a fight at parity? | |
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| AiM4 | Dec 20 2016, 04:52 AM Post #436 |
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Depends on each subspecies. A fox and fox like canids could be weaker to similar sized feline counterpart. The "bear-dog like" bushdog can overpower any feline in their size range though. I'm confident it need a felis szied pantherine to match a bush dog. Also as usual they all have their advantages for their species. Felidae= flexible, grapple Canidae= stamina, bit force I'd say both are on par with each other in terms of strength and robustness if you remove tigers, lions and jaguars. |
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| Carnotaur | Dec 20 2016, 04:58 AM Post #437 |
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Aren't the cats the animals that should have the advantage in bite-force?Anyway,I'd also like to point the much stronger and more damaging inscisors of the dogs,that help creating larger wounds as well as 'mouth-grappling'. |
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| Grazier | Dec 20 2016, 08:03 AM Post #438 |
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I think a cougar is stronger than a wolf at parity, just as explosive vs endurance athlete. But then Wolves are unusually lightly built dogs. It was interesting reading the wolfhound vs cougar thread (sorry, two wolfhounds) because everyone was constantly talking about how lightly built wolfhounds are, even though they're heavier than wolves at similar heights. The wolf is extremely tall and thin. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, in fact I think most dogs are too heavily built. However it should be understood about wolves that they're litterally thinner than sighthounds. |
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| AiM4 | Dec 20 2016, 05:24 PM Post #439 |
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Other then jaguars, I don't think cats can beat dogs in bite force at parity. Not sure how strong epicyon bite force are, but their skulls seems to be as large as lions. And dogs usually have big skulls compared to their body size. It could mean that epicyon would have a stronger bite force then a jaguar at a same size. Now dogs main advantage in a fight is how they utilize their mouths. They do more damage with their mouths compared to any other carnivoras except hyenas. I think heavy builds doesn't necessarily mean advantage to win for dogs. They're slow, and endurance is questionable. You need to be light and agile to land hits and kill them off effectively. Edited by AiM4, Dec 20 2016, 05:25 PM.
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| Grazier | Dec 20 2016, 08:40 PM Post #440 |
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I agree to an extent, but when you understand sighthounds are built for maximum sprinting speed, and wolves are lighter, and then note their lifestyle calls for long distance running, one only needs to look at humans and see the connection. Then following on with humans you have fighting humans which are still lean but bulkier than sprinters, which are bulkier than long distance runners, and then you have pure power athletes which are bulkier than fighters, and almost open ended on the bulk they can carry to benefit their strength. This topic was comparing strength, and you realise the wolf is one of the worst possible candidates, and even if talking fighting it's logical that the optimal fighting build for a canine is somewhere between the optimal speed build and the optimal power build. My personal opinion is closer to the speed build than the maximum power build, for the reasons you mentioned, the reduced agility, quickness and endurance that go with being too bulky and powerful. And this is exactly where you'll find pit fighting dogs - very lean, but also muscled above sighthounds slightly, which are more muscled than wolves. So it's clearly just completely illogical to suggest the wolf is the optimal canine build for fighting, and even more illogical, downright absurd, to suggest it's the optimal build for power (which again, was the topic at hand). |
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