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Felids vs Canids at parity, who's stronger?; Who's stronger and most capable in a fight at parity?
Topic Started: Jul 31 2012, 11:41 AM (44,661 Views)
Jinfengopteryx
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And it's prey or it's other enemys weren't?^^(I won't call a 12t Triceratops not massive)
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you are going back on what you said k9 you admitted b4 that all 3 species killed cats but harris hawks did it the most now ur changing ur story


I will open up a thread soon we can finish the debate and post instances there are like 100 of hawks killing cats and about 10 of cats killing hawks


there is also the north american falconry forum so there is 2 of them uk and north american
Edited by Ophiophagy, Jul 31 2012, 11:47 PM.
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Jul 31 2012, 11:44 PM
you are going back on what you said k9 you admitted b4 that all 3 species killed cats but harris hawks did it the most now ur changing ur story


I will open up a thread soon we can finish the debate and post instances there are like 100 of hawks killing cats and about 10 of cats killing hawks


there is also the north american falconry forum so there is 2 of them uk and north american
How am I changing my story? I never went back on it, I have already said several times that hawks have killed cats, with harris hawks doing the majority of killing. But there are more accounts of cats killing birds then birds killing cats. And I was on the falconry forum where the members are all from different countries ( but there are more british ones)
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Jinfengopteryx
Jul 31 2012, 11:43 PM
And it's prey or it's other enemys weren't?^^(I won't call a 12t Triceratops not massive)
Tyrannosaurus can't kill an Adult Triceratops face to face, even by ambush it would be very hard, i think it hunted young ones.
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But they fought, we found a healed bite mark, by T-rex on a Triceratops frill. I didn't want to say it would have won, I only wanted to admitt that it was an enemy.
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Jul 31 2012, 11:09 PM
yeah the hawks attacking cats you said its not possible then i directed you to the place and you addmited that goshawks killed cats so do red tails but harris hawks kill the most cats lol you addmitted that they do kill a lot of cats lol but before you said it was not true


first you said my claims were lies then you came here and backed me up yourself lol
Are there reliable statistics about how many cats are killed by hawks and viceversa? Also, let's not forget that a lot of the killings probably are surprise aerial assaults, not face-to face. In any case, I'm a little skeptical in using housecats for these matches, since most of them are just pets that haven't much of a clue about fighting a wild predator.
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Jinfengopteryx
Jul 31 2012, 11:43 PM
And it's prey or it's other enemys weren't?^^(I won't call a 12t Triceratops not massive)
Tyrannosaurus can't kill an Adult Triceratops face to face, even by ambush it would be very hard, i think it hunted young ones.
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Actually, you believe it would kill an Ancylosaurus in more than 50% of all battles, but it would never kill a Triceratops?

Also we found a pubis with T-rex bite marks, I doubt it scarevenged, because than it wouldn't have started there, it would have started at the flanks. It the pubis would have been the only thing left, it would have eaten the whole and not just bitten into it. That indiates that Tyrannosaurus was able to kill Triceratops.
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Aug 1 2012, 12:39 AM
Actually, you believe it would kill an Ancylosaurus in more than 50% of all battles, but it would never kill a Triceratops?

Also we found a pubis with T-rex bite marks, I doubt it scarevenged, because than it wouldn't have started there, it would have started at the flanks. It the pubis would have been the only thing left, it would have eaten the whole and not just bitten into it. That indiates that Tyrannosaurus was able to kill Triceratops.
I didn't say never
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You wrote:

"Tyrannosaurus can't kill an Adult Triceratops face to face"

You once stated it would kill Ancyosaurus in more than 50% of all face to face battles, so why shouldn't it be able to kill a Trike?
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pantherine cats are probably stronger than modern wolves
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They are for sure stronger, especially because they're mostly a lot bigger.

But we take about dogs vs. cats at party.
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ok..i spend 30minutes in google and some falconry boards (german) and can't find a single story of a goshawk killing a cat.
Ok..maybe the goshawks in germany are weaker or the cats are stronger.
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Aug 1 2012, 03:43 AM
ok..i spend 30minutes in google and some falconry boards (german) and can't find a single story of a goshawk killing a cat.
Ok..maybe the goshawks in germany are weaker or the cats are stronger.
I looked at http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/ and the vibe i got from there was dont send ur bird or prey after feral cats as it will get ripped to shreds most of the time, unless its an old cat or kitten.
http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=111643&highlight=feral+cats
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FelinePowah
Jul 31 2012, 07:57 PM
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Jul 31 2012, 07:09 PM
From ursus data
"cursorial animals~those specified for running~are probably not weak compared to other animals
What they give up is flexibility
What does this mean for wrestling with the forelimbs?
Animals that use their limbs to wrestle are unlikely to have stronger limbs than strong but inflexible animals~likely making restraining difficult

Cats dont have stronger limbs only more developed ones

Im sorry but thats a load of crap, there is no way a wolf will have the same strength in its limbs as a puma.
Do note that I said "strong but inflexible".
Like a boar or a pitbull.

Not efficient coursers like wolves.
Even then, though, I posted info comparing cheetahs and chimpanzees and-despite large difference in muscle mass of the limbs-cheetahs were still close.
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On the falconryforum they even say mink are a dangerous quarry for a goshawk. The only way any harris/goshawk could kill a cat is by surprise, face to face they don't stand a chance.
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