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Felids vs Canids at parity, who's stronger?; Who's stronger and most capable in a fight at parity?
Topic Started: Jul 31 2012, 11:41 AM (44,660 Views)
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Jul 31 2012, 11:05 PM
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Jul 31 2012, 10:43 PM
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Jul 31 2012, 10:39 PM
felines are stronger than canines but they will be killed by the weasel family at equal weights, I dont think a cl is the king of its weight a wolverine or badger the same weight will kill it.
No way, A CL or pitbull would total a badger at equal weights, a wolverine would be slightly harder but it would still lose to both of them.
Naa i think a Wolverine would kill a Pitbull at equal weights.

Dogs are just badly designed for fighting.
They aren't bad designed for fighting, they're simply well adapted for pack hunting, also Wolverines are very tough and durable animals.
Well they are, all the top animal fighters have mobile limbs which can be used in a fight, felines,bears,Mustelidae, dogs sadly come bottom of the list.
That's a load of crap and isnt supported by anything
Eg bobcat coyote
Hyena leopard
Etc etc.
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the cat knows its comming but the hawk stoops at 100 miles an hour whats the cat going to do? Stop the hawk? LOL the hawk will nail its head no matter what.



k9 you made that up, not once on the forum did it say any of those killed cats that cats were taken by "suprise"


wingspan weight top speed (flying) feels like
1.2m 1.1kg 195km/h 283.1km/h

The Red-tailed Hawk (Buteo jamaicensis) is a bird of prey, one of three species colloquially known in the United States as the “chickenhawk,” though it rarely preys on chickens. It breeds throughout most of North America, from western Alaska and northern Canada to as far south as Panama and the West Indies, and is one of the most common buteos in North America. Red-tailed Hawks can acclimate to all the biomes within its range. There are fourteen recognized subspecies, which vary in appearance and range. It is one of the largest members of the genus Buteo in North America, typically weighing from 690 to 1600 grams (1.5 to 3.5 pounds) and measuring 45–65 cm (18 to 26 in) in length, with a wingspan from 110 to 145 cm (43 to 57 in). The Red-tailed Hawk displays sexual dimorphism in size, with females averaging about 25% heavier than males.


This is just a red tail a goshawk and harris can stoop faster than that yeah a cat will really stop that k9 LOL

Also there are a few cases on falconry forum of teathered hawks killing cats which is really wierd cause a teatherd hawk is very easy to kill by any predator.
Edited by Ophiophagy, Aug 1 2012, 06:39 AM.
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poison
Jul 31 2012, 10:39 PM
felines are stronger than canines but they will be killed by the weasel family at equal weights, I dont think a cl is the king of its weight a wolverine or badger the same weight will kill it.
No way, A CL or pitbull would total a badger at equal weights, a wolverine would be slightly harder but it would still lose to both of them.
Naa i think a Wolverine would kill a Pitbull at equal weights.

Dogs are just badly designed for fighting.
They aren't bad designed for fighting, they're simply well adapted for pack hunting, also Wolverines are very tough and durable animals.
Well they are, all the top animal fighters have mobile limbs which can be used in a fight, felines,bears,Mustelidae, dogs sadly come bottom of the list.
That's a load of crap and isnt supported by anything
Eg bobcat coyote
Hyena leopard
Etc etc.
I think a Hyena will loose to a Leopard. Leopards usually flee, because they are solitary animals and unlike the hyena, nobody will help it, if it get's injured.

In a life to death battle, the Leopard has the edge.
Edited by Jinfengopteryx, Aug 1 2012, 06:35 AM.
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Jul 31 2012, 10:39 PM
felines are stronger than canines but they will be killed by the weasel family at equal weights, I dont think a cl is the king of its weight a wolverine or badger the same weight will kill it.
No way, A CL or pitbull would total a badger at equal weights, a wolverine would be slightly harder but it would still lose to both of them.
Naa i think a Wolverine would kill a Pitbull at equal weights.

Dogs are just badly designed for fighting.
They aren't bad designed for fighting, they're simply well adapted for pack hunting, also Wolverines are very tough and durable animals.
Well they are, all the top animal fighters have mobile limbs which can be used in a fight, felines,bears,Mustelidae, dogs sadly come bottom of the list.
That's a load of crap and isnt supported by anything
Eg bobcat coyote
Hyena leopard
Etc etc.
I think a Hyena will loose to a Leopard. Leopards usually flee, because they are solitary animals and unlike the hyena, nobody will help it, if it get's injured.

In a life to death battle, the Leopard has the edge.
There are no reliable accounts of either species killing prime adults. Hyenas have tough competition at kills, if it is unable to muscle its way in it will starve, just as a leopard. I too would favor a leopard but it is an impressive species of cat. There are many less impressive species. Though as a general trend, efficient grapplers are good fighters.
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Aug 1 2012, 06:30 AM
k9 you made that up, not once on the forum did it say any of those killed cats that cats were taken by "suprise"

Thats the most likely scenario, otherwise the hawks would be dead.


Anyway I'm not disscusing this here.
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you are bias and lying to yourself, you think a house cat is a cougar going to stop a 100 mile an hour talons comming at it, you went insane thinkinking all those death the cat didnt know death was comming. What about the cat that got attacked by a teathered goshawk. I don't think you really believe what you say about the subject on here. You are just wayy to bias to admit you are wrong.


Only red tails have strong feet btw.


ALso owls feet are like five times as strong.
Edited by Ophiophagy, Aug 1 2012, 07:23 AM.
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Jul 31 2012, 10:39 PM
felines are stronger than canines but they will be killed by the weasel family at equal weights, I dont think a cl is the king of its weight a wolverine or badger the same weight will kill it.
No way, A CL or pitbull would total a badger at equal weights, a wolverine would be slightly harder but it would still lose to both of them.
Naa i think a Wolverine would kill a Pitbull at equal weights.

Dogs are just badly designed for fighting.
They aren't bad designed for fighting, they're simply well adapted for pack hunting, also Wolverines are very tough and durable animals.
Well they are, all the top animal fighters have mobile limbs which can be used in a fight, felines,bears,Mustelidae, dogs sadly come bottom of the list.
That's a load of crap and isnt supported by anything
Eg bobcat coyote
Hyena leopard
Etc etc.
I think a Hyena will loose to a Leopard. Leopards usually flee, because they are solitary animals and unlike the hyena, nobody will help it, if it get's injured.

In a life to death battle, the Leopard has the edge.
There are no reliable accounts of either species killing prime adults. Hyenas have tough competition at kills, if it is unable to muscle its way in it will starve, just as a leopard. I too would favor a leopard but it is an impressive species of cat. There are many less impressive species. Though as a general trend, efficient grapplers are good fighters.
We don't have accounts of them killing each other, it's a suggestion, based on looking at the weaponary. The Leopard has the ability to jumb, grapple and it's more independent. Also Hyenas are no canids, they are more related to cats.
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Jul 31 2012, 10:43 PM
poison
Jul 31 2012, 10:39 PM
felines are stronger than canines but they will be killed by the weasel family at equal weights, I dont think a cl is the king of its weight a wolverine or badger the same weight will kill it.
No way, A CL or pitbull would total a badger at equal weights, a wolverine would be slightly harder but it would still lose to both of them.
Naa i think a Wolverine would kill a Pitbull at equal weights.

Dogs are just badly designed for fighting.
They aren't bad designed for fighting, they're simply well adapted for pack hunting, also Wolverines are very tough and durable animals.
Well they are, all the top animal fighters have mobile limbs which can be used in a fight, felines,bears,Mustelidae, dogs sadly come bottom of the list.
That's a load of crap and isnt supported by anything
Eg bobcat coyote
Hyena leopard
Etc etc.
I think a Hyena will loose to a Leopard. Leopards usually flee, because they are solitary animals and unlike the hyena, nobody will help it, if it get's injured.

In a life to death battle, the Leopard has the edge.
There are no reliable accounts of either species killing prime adults. Hyenas have tough competition at kills, if it is unable to muscle its way in it will starve, just as a leopard. I too would favor a leopard but it is an impressive species of cat. There are many less impressive species. Though as a general trend, efficient grapplers are good fighters.
We don't have accounts of them killing each other, it's a suggestion, based on looking at the weaponary. The Leopard has the ability to jumb, grapple and it's more independent. Also Hyenas are no canids, they are more related to cats.
Hyenas and canids are a rather closely related as far as their strength and weaknesses are concerned.
Hyenas are also more than capable of jumping.
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Aug 1 2012, 07:14 AM
you are bias and lying to yourself, you think a house cat is a cougar going to stop a 100 mile an hour talons comming at it, you went insane thinkinking all those death the cat didnt know death was comming. What about the cat that got attacked by a teathered goshawk. I don't think you really believe what you say about the subject on here. You are just wayy to bias to admit you are wrong.


Only red tails have strong feet btw.


ALso owls feet are like five times as strong.
Why is he lying at himself? The fact that in those forum they didn't mention that the cats were taken by surprise doesn't mean they weren't. We here make this distinction, but that is probably irrelevant for the posters of those forum, whose purpose likely it's not to discuss who would win 'face-to-face' between a bird and another animal. Besides, I'm usually a bit careful to trust the statements from those forums. Often they report hearsay or exaggerate the exploits of the animals to whom the forum is dedicated - especially if they happen to be the owners...

On another note, how comes that a thread about canids vs felids strength became a 'raptors vs cats' debate?...
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oh yeah people are going to make up stuff on various forums in regard to prey base taken by their raptors all over the world just for fun lol thats the most stupid thing i have ever heard

They actually have a lot of threads deleted because of it because raptors being a danger to cats and dogs gives falconry a bad name so mods make people shut up about it

They arent pet cats they are feral they are not allowed to hunt around houses near kids specially with large owls or eagles. The only time pet cats are killed is if the falconer lives with one and vice versa.


Falconers dont consider taking a cat by a hawk as anything special taking a fox by a hawk to them is something huge though. Taking an fox with an owl is pretty normal.

Just kinda shows us feral cats and foxes are close to the same size but the fox is seen as something serious and worth writing about while a feral cat is nothing huge to write about to them.

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Aug 1 2012, 07:48 AM
oh yeah people are going to make up stuff on various forums in regard to prey base taken by their raptors all over the world just for fun lol thats the most stupid thing i have ever heard

They actually have a lot of threads deleted because of it because raptors being a danger to cats and dogs gives falconry a bad name so mods make people shut up about it

They arent pet cats they are feral they are not allowed to hunt around houses near kids specially with large owls or eagles. The only time pet cats are killed is if the falconer lives with one and vice versa.


Falconers dont consider taking a cat by a hawk as anything special taking a fox by a hawk to them is something huge though. Taking an fox with an owl is pretty normal.

Just kinda shows us feral cats and foxes are close to the same size but the fox is seen as something serious and worth writing about while a feral cat is nothing huge to write about to them.

Well this forum seems to make a big deal about feral cats
http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=111643&highlight=feral+cats

Oh and hawk vs little Kitty
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http://www.nafex.net/showthread.php?t=3677&highlight=feral read this
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Jul 31 2012, 10:08 PM
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Yes, to support its greater range of movement.
And as a bonus gives it greater strength.
For the felids who take large prey, but otherwise I'd say it's fair game. (Excluding the CL of course!)
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Aug 1 2012, 10:45 AM

Cant really believe anything on that forum as its so full of cat hate.

Hawks are just not strong enough to be able to take out a cat with taking incoming damage and getting killed or injured.
So unless the hawk can kill the cat in the first hit its gonna get clawed and bitten and killed if left with the cat.
Edited by FelinePowah, Aug 1 2012, 04:25 PM.
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Aug 1 2012, 04:22 PM
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Aug 1 2012, 10:45 AM

Cant really believe anything on that forum as its so full of cat hate.

Hawks are just not strong enough to be able to take out a cat with taking incoming damage and getting killed or injured.
So unless the hawk can kill the cat in the first hit its gonna get clawed and bitten and killed if left with the cat.
Yeah, yeah, you can't believe ANYTHING there, it's bad! Tell me, where else did they 'show hate for cats'?
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