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Centipede/spider/mantis/scorpion
Topic Started: Aug 18 2012, 08:59 AM (44,204 Views)
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Sep 9 2012, 02:14 PM
The scorpion has all the advantages, they are hard, has very useful pincers and venom.
their weapons are useless against the robust centipedes, the worst they could do is hold the pede.
holding on can prevent the pede from attacking or using its length to a full advantage which is necessary for it's "corral and kill" technique and several stings could potentially do the pede in
did you see the video i posted? the sting is completely useless as it can't penetrate the armor.
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Sep 9 2012, 03:54 PM
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Sep 9 2012, 02:59 PM
I choose....the Epomis Beetle Larvae!
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The LARVAE is KILLING the FROG!
epomis beetle larvae are specialized predators specifically evolved to tactically feast on amphibian prey this means they only thing they could really take down are frogs and salamanders and they use paralyzing venom along with a strong bite. It they tried that on say a snake a few times their size they'd get pummeled, they can't adapt to taking other prey they're way too specialized
I DON'T CARE!! lol I guess I'm not a bug person so I make random guesses.
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Sep 9 2012, 02:14 PM
The scorpion has all the advantages, they are hard, has very useful pincers and venom.
their weapons are useless against the robust centipedes, the worst they could do is hold the pede.
holding on can prevent the pede from attacking or using its length to a full advantage which is necessary for it's "corral and kill" technique and several stings could potentially do the pede in
how do you know that the beetles sting would work again the Centepede. From what I seen from animals is that their venom/poison wont work on every animal. This is true with snakes and their venom.

Seeing how this beetle is very specialized, i find it hard to believe that it work on a Centipede who is also very armor and has venom/poison of its own.


Do you have evidene of its poison working on a centipede?
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Sep 10 2012, 01:27 AM
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Sep 9 2012, 02:54 PM
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Sep 9 2012, 02:14 PM
The scorpion has all the advantages, they are hard, has very useful pincers and venom.
their weapons are useless against the robust centipedes, the worst they could do is hold the pede.
holding on can prevent the pede from attacking or using its length to a full advantage which is necessary for it's "corral and kill" technique and several stings could potentially do the pede in
how do you know that the beetles sting would work again the Centepede. From what I seen from animals is that their venom/poison wont work on every animal. This is true with snakes and their venom.

Seeing how this beetle is very specialized, i find it hard to believe that it work on a Centipede who is also very armor and has venom/poison of its own.


Do you have evidene of its poison working on a centipede?
Normally all venoms can "work" on any animals there's just no guaranteeing the venom will kill depending on potency, amount, and the size of the animal or if has immuntiy to the toxin. There' no evidence that would suggest centipede's have immunity to imperatoxin and a centipede at parity could definitely die form several shots of the toxin. Still as Black ice siad it's an ineffective tool to kill the more likely way a scorp would kill a pede would be to violently throttle it with it's claws and grasp it tightly then proceed to eating it alive.
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Sep 9 2012, 03:54 PM
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Sep 9 2012, 02:59 PM
I choose....the Epomis Beetle Larvae!
Posted Image
The LARVAE is KILLING the FROG!
epomis beetle larvae are specialized predators specifically evolved to tactically feast on amphibian prey this means they only thing they could really take down are frogs and salamanders and they use paralyzing venom along with a strong bite. It they tried that on say a snake a few times their size they'd get pummeled, they can't adapt to taking other prey they're way too specialized
I DON'T CARE!! lol I guess I'm not a bug person so I make random guesses.
I'm not a dino person but you don't see me going on dino threads and throwing out wild guesses..
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Sep 10 2012, 01:42 AM
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Sep 9 2012, 02:54 PM
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Sep 9 2012, 02:47 PM
linnaeus1758
Sep 9 2012, 02:14 PM
The scorpion has all the advantages, they are hard, has very useful pincers and venom.
their weapons are useless against the robust centipedes, the worst they could do is hold the pede.
holding on can prevent the pede from attacking or using its length to a full advantage which is necessary for it's "corral and kill" technique and several stings could potentially do the pede in
how do you know that the beetles sting would work again the Centepede. From what I seen from animals is that their venom/poison wont work on every animal. This is true with snakes and their venom.

Seeing how this beetle is very specialized, i find it hard to believe that it work on a Centipede who is also very armor and has venom/poison of its own.


Do you have evidene of its poison working on a centipede?
Normally all venoms can "work" on any animals there's just no guaranteeing the venom will kill depending on potency, amount, and the size of the animal or if has immuntiy to the toxin. There' no evidence that would suggest centipede's have immunity to imperatoxin and a centipede at parity could definitely die form several shots of the toxin. Still as Black ice siad it's an ineffective tool to kill the more likely way a scorp would kill a pede would be to violently throttle it with it's claws and grasp it tightly then proceed to eating it alive.
That is incorrect. The Mussarana snake has venom that it helps use to kill other snakes but its venom has no affect on the Coral Snake which it avoids. There is also this giant monitored lizard that is able to hunt certain species of Cobras and the Cobra's venom doesn nothing against it. Herpetologist Robert Sprackland mentioned the lizard is immune to the snake species that it hunts.

Alligators are immune to the venom of RattleSnakes completely, despite getting bitten in their mouths by the snake.


Not all venoms/poisons work on every other. Some animals have another's animal number.
Edited by genao87, Sep 10 2012, 02:03 AM.
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Sep 9 2012, 02:54 PM
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Sep 9 2012, 02:47 PM
linnaeus1758
Sep 9 2012, 02:14 PM
The scorpion has all the advantages, they are hard, has very useful pincers and venom.
their weapons are useless against the robust centipedes, the worst they could do is hold the pede.
holding on can prevent the pede from attacking or using its length to a full advantage which is necessary for it's "corral and kill" technique and several stings could potentially do the pede in
how do you know that the beetles sting would work again the Centepede. From what I seen from animals is that their venom/poison wont work on every animal. This is true with snakes and their venom.

Seeing how this beetle is very specialized, i find it hard to believe that it work on a Centipede who is also very armor and has venom/poison of its own.


Do you have evidene of its poison working on a centipede?
Normally all venoms can "work" on any animals there's just no guaranteeing the venom will kill depending on potency, amount, and the size of the animal or if has immuntiy to the toxin. There' no evidence that would suggest centipede's have immunity to imperatoxin and a centipede at parity could definitely die form several shots of the toxin. Still as Black ice siad it's an ineffective tool to kill the more likely way a scorp would kill a pede would be to violently throttle it with it's claws and grasp it tightly then proceed to eating it alive.
That is incorrect. The Mussarana snake has venom that it helps use to kill other snakes but its venom has no affect on the Coral Snake which it avoids. There is also this giant monitored lizard that is able to hunt certain species of Cobras and the Cobra's venom doesn nothing against it. Herpetologist Robert Sprackland mentioned the lizard is immune to the snake species that it hunts.

Alligators are immune to the venom of RattleSnakes completely, despite getting bitten in their mouths by the snake.


Not all venoms/poisons work on every other. Some animals have another's animal number.
That's called immunity, the animals either evolved being immune to one anthers venom or they simply have different physiology from what the venom is intended to kill, emperor scorpion's venom isn't specialized to kill anything it's solely a defense mechanism so it could work on the pede
since there's no evidence the has immunity to imperatoxin which is specifically made by the emperor scorpion which lives in totally different geographic region than the amazonian pede.
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Sep 2 2012, 05:41 AM
i believe that was a dying or dead hornet. hornets just dying off since they usually are born around the same time. when it is time to die, the whole generation of a colony goes.
it couldn't be dead becuase it was obviously moving and what makes you say its dying?
Sometimes it happens, that Insects are doing such moves, when being almost dead, for example if something sqashes them. For example if you sqash a fly, you will notice, that it is still moving a bit. They are incapable doing anything, but they still can move their limbs.
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Still as Black ice siad it's an ineffective tool to kill the more likely way a scorp would kill a pede would be to violently throttle it with it's claws and grasp it tightly then proceed to eating it alive.

scorpions don't eat prey alive, also i doubt their tiny fangs could pierce the armor.
Nor do they "throttle" their prey.
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Still as Black ice siad it's an ineffective tool to kill the more likely way a scorp would kill a pede would be to violently throttle it with it's claws and grasp it tightly then proceed to eating it alive.

scorpions don't eat prey alive, also i doubt their tiny fangs could pierce the armor.
Nor do they "throttle" their prey.
emperor scorpions lack the highly potent venom to dispatch prey so they rely heavily on their claws its very likely if a scorp is faced with a large opponent it won't hesitate to grapple with it it won't shake it to death but it will grapple till it can get a good grip. Also look a tthe scoprion's chelicerae:

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Thier like claws they could easily pick away at the pedes joints or chew up the exoskeleton
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Did you see my video? That's not the case. Anything can look dangerous, doesn't mean it is.
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I choose....the Epomis Beetle Larvae!
Posted Image
The LARVAE is KILLING the FROG!
epomis beetle larvae are specialized predators specifically evolved to tactically feast on amphibian prey this means they only thing they could really take down are frogs and salamanders and they use paralyzing venom along with a strong bite. It they tried that on say a snake a few times their size they'd get pummeled, they can't adapt to taking other prey they're way too specialized
I DON'T CARE!! lol I guess I'm not a bug person so I make random guesses.
I'm not a dino person but you don't see me going on dino threads and throwing out wild guesses..
Well, I guess I guess... lol
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Did you see my video? That's not the case. Anything can look dangerous, doesn't mean it is.
I didn't watch any of your videos and I'm not making it look dangerous the design is literally built to dismember prey it's much more effective than regular mandibles and by going for the joints its could eat the pede alive. Which vid is it?
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Did you see my video? That's not the case. Anything can look dangerous, doesn't mean it is.
I didn't watch any of your videos and I'm not making it look dangerous the design is literally built to dismember prey it's much more effective than regular mandibles and by going for the joints its could eat the pede alive. Which vid is it?
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scorpions don't dismember anything.
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Did you see my video? That's not the case. Anything can look dangerous, doesn't mean it is.
I didn't watch any of your videos and I'm not making it look dangerous the design is literally built to dismember prey it's much more effective than regular mandibles and by going for the joints its could eat the pede alive. Which vid is it?
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scorpions don't dismember anything.
why do you think their chelicerae are freakin claws? You think they just swallow their prey whole?

A scorpion tears open and rips out pieces of a tiger centipede:



I've changed my opinion on emperor scorpion vs goliath birdeater at parity, emperor's are too slow to effectively use their claws to grapple, i just watched a video of one struggling to catch a cricket that that stuck in a small water dish. The cricket easily slid aorund the scorp's attempts to grab it. I've also heard pet owners have to take crickets and place them right in front of the scorp's claws even then the scorp will still wave its claws aorund trying t
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