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Centipede/spider/mantis/scorpion
Topic Started: Aug 18 2012, 08:59 AM (44,203 Views)
Black Ice
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No they dont wild dog, did you see what 221 posted? They hold.
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Black Ice
Sep 12 2012, 10:03 AM
No they dont wild dog, did you see what 221 posted? They hold.
What? No I don't mean dismember with their claws, their claws are used for crushing and holding I mean dismember with their chelicerae.
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Sep 10 2012, 02:24 AM
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Sep 9 2012, 02:47 PM
linnaeus1758
Sep 9 2012, 02:14 PM
The scorpion has all the advantages, they are hard, has very useful pincers and venom.
their weapons are useless against the robust centipedes, the worst they could do is hold the pede.
holding on can prevent the pede from attacking or using its length to a full advantage which is necessary for it's "corral and kill" technique and several stings could potentially do the pede in
how do you know that the beetles sting would work again the Centepede. From what I seen from animals is that their venom/poison wont work on every animal. This is true with snakes and their venom.

Seeing how this beetle is very specialized, i find it hard to believe that it work on a Centipede who is also very armor and has venom/poison of its own.


Do you have evidene of its poison working on a centipede?
Normally all venoms can "work" on any animals there's just no guaranteeing the venom will kill depending on potency, amount, and the size of the animal or if has immuntiy to the toxin. There' no evidence that would suggest centipede's have immunity to imperatoxin and a centipede at parity could definitely die form several shots of the toxin. Still as Black ice siad it's an ineffective tool to kill the more likely way a scorp would kill a pede would be to violently throttle it with it's claws and grasp it tightly then proceed to eating it alive.
That is incorrect. The Mussarana snake has venom that it helps use to kill other snakes but its venom has no affect on the Coral Snake which it avoids. There is also this giant monitored lizard that is able to hunt certain species of Cobras and the Cobra's venom doesn nothing against it. Herpetologist Robert Sprackland mentioned the lizard is immune to the snake species that it hunts.

Alligators are immune to the venom of RattleSnakes completely, despite getting bitten in their mouths by the snake.


Not all venoms/poisons work on every other. Some animals have another's animal number.
That's called immunity, the animals either evolved being immune to one anthers venom or they simply have different physiology from what the venom is intended to kill, emperor scorpion's venom isn't specialized to kill anything it's solely a defense mechanism so it could work on the pede
since there's no evidence the has immunity to imperatoxin which is specifically made by the emperor scorpion which lives in totally different geographic region than the amazonian pede.
Then why bother saying that all venom can work if you know that certain animals are immune completely and others have too much tough armor to do any harm? Most animals that are specialized in killing a specific animal, its poison wont be as destructive or work at all against another animal, or its attacks wont work either.



Edited by genao87, Sep 13 2012, 12:41 AM.
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Of course many animals are specialised, but if the venom is strong, it can kill many animals. For examle lot's of animals have venom, what has an effect on humans, even tough they never saw some, before humans started taking over the world, so they would only know them, for around of 100 years at best, not enough time, to evolve new venom.
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Sep 13 2012, 12:51 AM
Of course many animals are specialised, but if the venom is strong, it can kill many animals. For examle lot's of animals have venom, what has an effect on humans, even tough they never saw some, before humans started taking over the world, so they would only know them, for around of 100 years at best, not enough time, to evolve new venom.
Against an armored tank like the giant centipede? Sorry but no, it will have a heck of hard time against this animal and will lose. Frogs and Amphibians have no such counter weapons and they helpless against it.

Humans are a bad example since we basically have intelligence. Animals have us beat in practically everything else.

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Humans are a bad example since we basically have intelligence. Animals have us beat in practically everything else.

But humans can stand a lot of venom, because we are getting more venom every day, than some animals in their whole life(many animals could die quickly if they would smoke or drink alcohol, humans can survive it).
Also, they did not beat us in everything else, for example we have very useful forelimbs(long, with flexible thumbs, flexible shoulders).
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Sep 12 2012, 10:03 AM
No they dont wild dog, did you see what 221 posted? They hold.
What? No I don't mean dismember with their claws, their claws are used for crushing and holding I mean dismember with their chelicerae.
thats not going to get through the armor of the pede.
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Sep 13 2012, 04:42 AM
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Sep 12 2012, 10:03 AM
No they dont wild dog, did you see what 221 posted? They hold.
What? No I don't mean dismember with their claws, their claws are used for crushing and holding I mean dismember with their chelicerae.
thats not going to get through the armor of the pede.
that's why I siad it's picka apart at the JOINTS and LEGS, Until it's eaten deep enough to kill it.
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Sep 12 2012, 10:03 AM
No they dont wild dog, did you see what 221 posted? They hold.
What? No I don't mean dismember with their claws, their claws are used for crushing and holding I mean dismember with their chelicerae.
thats not going to get through the armor of the pede.
that's why I siad it's picka apart at the JOINTS and LEGS, Until it's eaten deep enough to kill it.
Yea eat a leg off an animal that has a lot of them rolleyes . To eat em all it would have to let go in order to change to another set. Also the core of it is IN the armor.
Edited by Black Ice, Sep 13 2012, 06:38 AM.
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Sep 12 2012, 10:03 AM
No they dont wild dog, did you see what 221 posted? They hold.
What? No I don't mean dismember with their claws, their claws are used for crushing and holding I mean dismember with their chelicerae.
thats not going to get through the armor of the pede.
that's why I siad it's picka apart at the JOINTS and LEGS, Until it's eaten deep enough to kill it.
Yea eat a leg off an animal that has a lot of them rolleyes . To eat em all it would have to let go in order to change to another set. Also the core of it is IN the armor.
No I never said it was going to alternate legs and the process of eating the leg is to help get to the vitals and chew right through it's bodies, their legs are connected to the joints, also what do you mean by "the core" the organs run throughout the body yes the majority of the body is protected by armor but the organs still are exposed at the joints
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Which is located in the armor.
Once it reaches the armor, there is no more chewing going on.
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Sep 14 2012, 10:45 AM
Which is located in the armor.
Once it reaches the armor, there is no more chewing going on.
no not really, you act as if the pede is 100% armor it's not:

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see the sides where the legs come out? That's ALL unarmored, easy pickings for the scorpion just chew right through the flanks
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Thats armor wild dog, its just not the same color rolleyes
Proof you may ask? The head is armored, yet it's colored differently. Don't go by looks.
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But the sides and the belly are soft or not?
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No. the legs only are.
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