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Centipede/spider/mantis/scorpion
Topic Started: Aug 18 2012, 08:59 AM (44,201 Views)
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Black Ice
Sep 15 2012, 02:46 AM
oh my god how long is this going to go on?
you can leave if you want I'd just like some feedback one my points and I thought this debate did a good job drawing attention to arthropods but we don't have nearly the amount of debaters as other animals
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Sep 15 2012, 04:15 AM
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Sep 14 2012, 12:29 PM
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Sep 14 2012, 12:03 PM
You say scorpions are the best armored arthropods, last I checked that title belonged to crabs and lobster.
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I meant among arthropod predators, also what makes you think lobsters and crabs are better armored? Oh wait could it be their looks that might be the reason you posted photos
just for the record
its because the lobsters are actually bigger and really are armored above,side,and below, scorpions are not.
Don't try that reverse psychology crap on me.
It's not reverse psychology I'm just pointing out you're just as prone to judging things visually than factually it's human nature dude you can't keep using it as an defensive mechanism to help make a point. Also I agree crustaceans size make them more durable but point is pede's have no armor on the flanks so a scorp would be fully capable of chewing through a pede alive. How could you get tired of this debate so quickly when they're so many more things to argue about than say lion v tiger?
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Sep 14 2012, 12:03 PM
You say scorpions are the best armored arthropods, last I checked that title belonged to crabs and lobster.<br />Posted Image<br />Posted Image
I meant among arthropod predators, also what makes you think lobsters and crabs are better armored? Oh wait could it be their looks that might be the reason you posted photos
just for the record<br />its because the lobsters are actually bigger and really are armored above,side,and below, scorpions are not.<br />Don't try that reverse psychology crap on me.
It's not reverse psychology I'm just pointing out you're just as prone to judging things visually than factually it's human nature dude you can't keep using it as an defensive mechanism to help make a point. Also I agree crustaceans size make them more durable but point is pede's have no armor on the flanks so a scorp would be fully capable of chewing through a pede alive. How could you get tired of this debate so quickly when they're so many more things to argue about than say lion v tiger?
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Sep 15 2012, 05:17 AM
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Sep 15 2012, 04:15 AM
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Sep 14 2012, 12:29 PM
Black Ice
Sep 14 2012, 12:03 PM
You say scorpions are the best armored arthropods, last I checked that title belonged to crabs and lobster.<br />Posted Image<br />Posted Image
I meant among arthropod predators, also what makes you think lobsters and crabs are better armored? Oh wait could it be their looks that might be the reason you posted photos
just for the record<br />its because the lobsters are actually bigger and really are armored above,side,and below, scorpions are not.<br />Don't try that reverse psychology crap on me.
It's not reverse psychology I'm just pointing out you're just as prone to judging things visually than factually it's human nature dude you can't keep using it as an defensive mechanism to help make a point. Also I agree crustaceans size make them more durable but point is pede's have no armor on the flanks so a scorp would be fully capable of chewing through a pede alive. How could you get tired of this debate so quickly when they're so many more things to argue about than say lion v tiger?
What did I just say?
"scorpions don't eat prey alive" even if they did they would be full before they did any REAL damage.
Also I wasn't viewing visually, its a fact lobster are more armoured then scorpions just because theirs is thicker and all around.
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Sep 15 2012, 06:09 AM
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Sep 15 2012, 05:17 AM
Black Ice
Sep 15 2012, 04:15 AM
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Sep 14 2012, 12:29 PM
Black Ice
Sep 14 2012, 12:03 PM
You say scorpions are the best armored arthropods, last I checked that title belonged to crabs and lobster.<br />Posted Image<br />Posted Image
I meant among arthropod predators, also what makes you think lobsters and crabs are better armored? Oh wait could it be their looks that might be the reason you posted photos
just for the record<br />its because the lobsters are actually bigger and really are armored above,side,and below, scorpions are not.<br />Don't try that reverse psychology crap on me.
It's not reverse psychology I'm just pointing out you're just as prone to judging things visually than factually it's human nature dude you can't keep using it as an defensive mechanism to help make a point. Also I agree crustaceans size make them more durable but point is pede's have no armor on the flanks so a scorp would be fully capable of chewing through a pede alive. How could you get tired of this debate so quickly when they're so many more things to argue about than say lion v tiger?
What did I just say?
"scorpions don't eat prey alive" even if they did they would be full before they did any REAL damage.
Also I wasn't viewing visually, its a fact lobster are more armoured then scorpions just because theirs is thicker and all around.
dude I just showed you a freakn' video of a scorpion eating a mouse alive what more do you want! what makes you think a scorpion won't eat it's prey as soon as it has been restrained? And now you throw a really crappy arguments like "it'll be full before it does real damage". First off pede's are not invincible, second off emperor scorpions have been known to devour entire dubia roaches leaving nothing but of exoskeleton and legs, you don't think it could manage chewing through a pede without getting sa full sotmach?
Edited by Wild, Sep 15 2012, 06:29 AM.
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1. I didn't see the vid
2. A pede is a lot bigger than a roach buddy.
3. I'm already sick of this debate and do not get what you are trying to prove. Did I ever say anything about pedes being invincible?
Calm the fuck down dude. My day has already got me agitated an then you come around using "irking" words like friggin and saying "crappy argument". I'm not in the mood to be doing this and am only replying to give you some respect. Chill.
Edited by Black Ice, Sep 15 2012, 06:37 AM.
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Mantis would be first dead I know it
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Sep 15 2012, 06:34 AM
1. I didn't see the vid
2. A pede is a lot bigger than a roach buddy.
3. I'm already sick of this debate and do not get what you are trying to prove. Did I ever say anything about pedes being invincible?
Calm the fuck down dude. My day has already got me agitated an then you come around using "irking" words like friggin and saying "crappy argument". I'm not in the mood to be doing this and am only replying to give you some respect. Chill.
Sorry due I just got a bit pissed since you denied my vid i didn't know you didn't see it, I'll stay chill

1. Here's the vid




2. but a whole adult roach is a lot more calories than a small strip of the pede's mid section which the emperor will be biting into, also the emperor will release digestive fluids as it s chews milling the pede faster

3. You didn't say pede's were invincible but you make it that way you think a scorp is just gonna give up mid way into chewing the pede and the pede is just gonna walk out fine with no "real" damage?

4. Sorry man I didn't mean to I thought you were being stubborn about the "eaten alive" thing so I got kinda agitated I didn't know you didn't see it sorry man
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Sep 15 2012, 07:42 AM
Mantis would be first dead I know it
maybe at normal sizes or max but definitely not at parity
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Nah it's cool i'll try to calm down.
Anyway we were talking about chewing chewing through it without missing the main point.
What's gonna stop the pede from killing the scorpion first? If they can bite their stinger completely off AND prey on them im pretty sure when its scorp vs pede, the centipede wins more often then not.
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Sep 15 2012, 06:34 AM
1. I didn't see the vid
2. A pede is a lot bigger than a roach buddy.
3. I'm already sick of this debate and do not get what you are trying to prove. Did I ever say anything about pedes being invincible?
Calm the fuck down dude. My day has already got me agitated an then you come around using "irking" words like friggin and saying "crappy argument". I'm not in the mood to be doing this and am only replying to give you some respect. Chill.
Sry to hear you had a bad day buddy, but Wild Dog is right here...
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I admit he was right. But still, scorpions are prey to centipedes, i don't see it the other way.
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Turns out the scorpion is faster then thought, so is the pede.
and the pede escaped it's grip several times (though it was mainly trying to escape) i wonder what would have happened if a real fight happened.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1848671/a_scorpion_vs_a_centipede/
Edited by Black Ice, Sep 15 2012, 12:18 PM.
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Aug 19 2012, 02:50 AM
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Aug 19 2012, 02:09 AM
You do realise it takes more than a few seconds for a centipedes venom to kill its prey? It has to not only hold the bat from getting away,but it also must keep itself from dropping the prey AND rely on its back legs to hold its weight and the prey animal. A hummingbird is impressive but the mantis gets them by ambush, centipedes are able to snatch bats mid flight all while being upside down dangling from a couple pair of legs. Also have you seen the centipede vs spider korean videos? 9/10 the pede either kills or the spider retreats. Basically every pede vs insect match the pede is the winner. And scorpions arent a match for centipedes as they have no way to keep it from wrapping them up. Yet scorpions dominate over spiders and other insects etc. you just can't say the mantis is superior just cause it kills birds every blue moon when the pede is able to snatch and hold much larger bats out of the air all while dangling on a few legs from the ceiling.
And that snake looked fine to me, maybe it couldn't do anything because it couldn't defend itself. But it moved perfectly fine so how do you know it wasnt "warmed up". Also how is a snake gonna "struggle" from a pede thats wrapped around it?
you're right it does take more than a few seconds it takes less than a minute is the point, praying mantis must keep themselves from dropping prey, you don't think they hang upside down?:

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Also mantids don't rely on ambush as much as you think, they attack hummingbirds out in the open with no cover what so ever:


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the hummingbird is totally aware of the mantis and has full view of what it's doing, that's NOT an ambush. A centipedes's size and length makes it a superior fighter to other arthropods but not hunter. Dude mantis don't kill bird's "every blue moon" do you see how many isolated accounts there are of mantis' taking hummingbirds? They make a freakin habit out of it! The snake looked fine obviously becuase the problem is with its internal features not external (that and the video was terrible quality). The video obviously wasn't taken in the bright asn early sun when the snake is energized it might've been before the snake basked so it's body temperature was too low, you could tell by it's lethargic behavior. A normal snake would furiously twist and turn to escape as well as biting it's opponent several times. That's nor what's displayed here, instead the snake just sweeps it's head back and forth a few times before feebly twisting it's body in a slow, desperate manner.

I just realised those are some tiny ass birds.....
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A scorpion will eat millipedes, woodlice, centipedes, spiders, beetles, lizards and small rodents.

"Discovering mini-beasts".

Pic of a scorpion eating a centipede.

"centipedes fall prey to various mammals, birds, reptiles, insects, spiders, scorpions"
www.desertusa.com/animals/centipedes.html

"Chief foods are small insects, spiders, centipedes, earthworms, and other scorpions."
insects.tamu.edu

"Scorpions feed on a wide variety of organisms, including insects, spiders, centipedes and millipedes, and even small reptiles."
apps.caes.uga.edu

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