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Centipede/spider/mantis/scorpion
Topic Started: Aug 18 2012, 08:59 AM (44,200 Views)
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Black Ice
Sep 15 2012, 07:58 AM
Nah it's cool i'll try to calm down.
Anyway we were talking about chewing chewing through it without missing the main point.
What's gonna stop the pede from killing the scorpion first? If they can bite their stinger completely off AND prey on them im pretty sure when its scorp vs pede, the centipede wins more often then not.
The scorpion's robustness will stop it, it's not as compact as a tarantula so it'll be hard to "corral and capture" also since the pede is the scorp's size the technique will be troublesome and their will be plenty of room for error once the pede so much as brushes against the scorp's claws it's caught. Those hairs are effective at picking up movement. Also the biting off of the stinger is unlikely, the scorp is VERY well armored and won't let the pede crawl all the way up to that stinger without latching on tightly.
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Sep 15 2012, 12:36 PM
A scorpion will eat millipedes, woodlice, centipedes, spiders, beetles, lizards and small rodents.

"Discovering mini-beasts".

Pic of a scorpion eating a centipede.

"centipedes fall prey to various mammals, birds, reptiles, insects, spiders, scorpions"
www.desertusa.com/animals/centipedes.html

"Chief foods are small insects, spiders, centipedes, earthworms, and other scorpions."
insects.tamu.edu

"Scorpions feed on a wide variety of organisms, including insects, spiders, centipedes and millipedes, and even small reptiles."
apps.caes.uga.edu

Thanks for the info! I guess they both prey on each other then. So what are we debating ^o)
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Sep 15 2012, 12:46 PM
Black Ice
Sep 15 2012, 07:58 AM
Nah it's cool i'll try to calm down.
Anyway we were talking about chewing chewing through it without missing the main point.
What's gonna stop the pede from killing the scorpion first? If they can bite their stinger completely off AND prey on them im pretty sure when its scorp vs pede, the centipede wins more often then not.
The scorpion's robustness will stop it, it's not as compact as a tarantula so it'll be hard to "corral and capture" also since the pede is the scorp's size the technique will be troublesome and their will be plenty of room for error once the pede so much as brushes against the scorp's claws it's caught. Those hairs are effective at picking up movement. Also the biting off of the stinger is unlikely, the scorp is VERY well armored and won't let the pede crawl all the way up to that stinger without latching on tightly.
I can show a vid if a similiar sized pede biting off a scorps stinger, not as hard as you may think.
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"Thanks for the info! I guess they both prey on each other then. So what are we debating"

Nothing just your statement was wrong:
Black Ice
Sep 15 2012, 12:06 PM
I admit he was right. But still, scorpions are prey to centipedes, i don't see it the other way.


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Looks like the Scorpion has the upper hand:
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Edited by 221Extra, Sep 15 2012, 01:00 PM.
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OK they both prey on eachother etcetera etcetera wild dog are we done here now?
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Sep 15 2012, 12:29 PM
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Aug 19 2012, 02:50 AM
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Aug 19 2012, 02:09 AM
You do realise it takes more than a few seconds for a centipedes venom to kill its prey? It has to not only hold the bat from getting away,but it also must keep itself from dropping the prey AND rely on its back legs to hold its weight and the prey animal. A hummingbird is impressive but the mantis gets them by ambush, centipedes are able to snatch bats mid flight all while being upside down dangling from a couple pair of legs. Also have you seen the centipede vs spider korean videos? 9/10 the pede either kills or the spider retreats. Basically every pede vs insect match the pede is the winner. And scorpions arent a match for centipedes as they have no way to keep it from wrapping them up. Yet scorpions dominate over spiders and other insects etc. you just can't say the mantis is superior just cause it kills birds every blue moon when the pede is able to snatch and hold much larger bats out of the air all while dangling on a few legs from the ceiling.
And that snake looked fine to me, maybe it couldn't do anything because it couldn't defend itself. But it moved perfectly fine so how do you know it wasnt "warmed up". Also how is a snake gonna "struggle" from a pede thats wrapped around it?
you're right it does take more than a few seconds it takes less than a minute is the point, praying mantis must keep themselves from dropping prey, you don't think they hang upside down?:

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Also mantids don't rely on ambush as much as you think, they attack hummingbirds out in the open with no cover what so ever:


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the hummingbird is totally aware of the mantis and has full view of what it's doing, that's NOT an ambush. A centipedes's size and length makes it a superior fighter to other arthropods but not hunter. Dude mantis don't kill bird's "every blue moon" do you see how many isolated accounts there are of mantis' taking hummingbirds? They make a freakin habit out of it! The snake looked fine obviously becuase the problem is with its internal features not external (that and the video was terrible quality). The video obviously wasn't taken in the bright asn early sun when the snake is energized it might've been before the snake basked so it's body temperature was too low, you could tell by it's lethargic behavior. A normal snake would furiously twist and turn to escape as well as biting it's opponent several times. That's nor what's displayed here, instead the snake just sweeps it's head back and forth a few times before feebly twisting it's body in a slow, desperate manner.

I just realised those are some tiny ass birds.....
have you ever worn a yellow shirt near a flower bed and been flown at by a hummingbird? At first you think they're just bee's then you realize the body shape and flight pattern is totally different, they're pretty small but their quick and hyper active too
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221 extra the reverse happened in my video.
Edited by Black Ice, Sep 15 2012, 01:03 PM.
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Sep 15 2012, 01:00 PM
OK they both prey on eachother etcetera etcetera wild dog are we done here now?
we weren't debating on who preys on who, we were debating on if an emperor scorpion could beat an Amazonian centipede at parity, I think centipedes need a pretty decent length advantage to beat any emperor scorpion
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Sep 15 2012, 01:02 PM
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OK they both prey on eachother etcetera etcetera wild dog are we done here now?
we weren't debating on who preys on who, we were debating on if an emperor scorpion could beat an Amazonian centipede at parity, I think centipedes need a pretty decent length advantage to beat any emperor scorpion
my vid says otherwise. At parity they both can kill eachother. But i don't have the energy to keep debating this, does anyone want to defend the spiders?
First a mantis now scorpion, what's next? A tiger beetle?
Edited by Black Ice, Sep 15 2012, 01:06 PM.
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Sep 15 2012, 01:02 PM
221 extra the reverse happened in my video.
not really, the pede was running away the whole type focusing all it's energy on attempting to escape and evade the scorp. Now if it decided to get up close and personal and actually confront and try to kill the emperor things would change, the emperor would be given a wide open shot to grab the pede since now the pede is running AT it not AWAY from it.
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OK they both prey on eachother etcetera etcetera wild dog are we done here now?
we weren't debating on who preys on who, we were debating on if an emperor scorpion could beat an Amazonian centipede at parity, I think centipedes need a pretty decent length advantage to beat any emperor scorpion
my vid says otherwise.
First a mantis now scorpion, what's next? A tiger beetle?
cit's just at parity dude at normal sizes I totally agree pede's dominate the arthropod world and could kill an average sized amazonian could kill any other average sized arthropod predator
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Sep 15 2012, 01:05 PM
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221 extra the reverse happened in my video.
not really, the pede was running away the whole type focusing all it's energy on attempting to escape and evade the scorp. Now if it decided to get up close and personal and actually confront and try to kill the emperor things would change, the emperor would be given a wide open shot to grab the pede since now the pede is running AT it not AWAY from it.
i was referring to this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE-LMPHR_TY&feature=related
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221 extra the reverse happened in my video.
not really, the pede was running away the whole type focusing all it's energy on attempting to escape and evade the scorp. Now if it decided to get up close and personal and actually confront and try to kill the emperor things would change, the emperor would be given a wide open shot to grab the pede since now the pede is running AT it not AWAY from it.
i was referring to this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE-LMPHR_TY&feature=related
that's a desert hairy scorpion, it has weak claws and thinner armor as well as being less robust
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Sep 15 2012, 01:08 PM
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Sep 15 2012, 01:02 PM
221 extra the reverse happened in my video.
not really, the pede was running away the whole type focusing all it's energy on attempting to escape and evade the scorp. Now if it decided to get up close and personal and actually confront and try to kill the emperor things would change, the emperor would be given a wide open shot to grab the pede since now the pede is running AT it not AWAY from it.
i was referring to this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE-LMPHR_TY&feature=related
that's a desert hairy scorpion, it has weak claws and thinner armor as well as being less robust
oh my god ok.
Does anyone have a video of a tropical centipede fighting a emperor scorpion? LIke a real fight? This is getting tedious.
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The scorpion was running away; I wouldn't call that a fight more like a flight response & I posted a pic of asian forest scorpion (very physically similar to emperor) getting the best of a similar sized pede.

EDIT: Forgot to mention flat rock scorpion beating similar sized pede as well.
Edited by 221Extra, Sep 15 2012, 01:16 PM.
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