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Centipede/spider/mantis/scorpion
Topic Started: Aug 18 2012, 08:59 AM (44,197 Views)
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Black Ice
Sep 18 2012, 11:29 AM
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Sep 18 2012, 11:28 AM
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Sep 18 2012, 11:16 AM
So you rank a matis over a pede huh?
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=jFuIjLVFFFI&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DjFuIjLVFFFI
A centipede would have done MUCH better than....... That.
A mantis technique is complete GARBAGE when going up against armored arthropods such as pedes or scorps.
the weights look similar I guess but the mantis they put in there was a weak hooded mantis, put in a member of the Hierodula genus (the ones knwon to take snakes larger than themselves) and the fight might've been a little more intense plus we already have scorpions beheading pedes in tha tone picture.
And i have pics and vids of pedes killing scorps, what are you trying to prove that hasnt already been countered by me? Also explain exactly what the snake killing mantis would have done differently? In the end its still gonna be scorp food.
all the pics were of much larger pedes


vid:http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f2c_1335896405
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Sep 18 2012, 11:48 AM
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Sep 18 2012, 11:28 AM
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Sep 18 2012, 11:16 AM
So you rank a matis over a pede huh?
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=jFuIjLVFFFI&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DjFuIjLVFFFI
A centipede would have done MUCH better than....... That.
A mantis technique is complete GARBAGE when going up against armored arthropods such as pedes or scorps.
the weights look similar I guess but the mantis they put in there was a weak hooded mantis, put in a member of the Hierodula genus (the ones knwon to take snakes larger than themselves) and the fight might've been a little more intense plus we already have scorpions beheading pedes in tha tone picture.
And i have pics and vids of pedes killing scorps, what are you trying to prove that hasnt already been countered by me? Also explain exactly what the snake killing mantis would have done differently? In the end its still gonna be scorp food.
all the pics were of much larger pedes


vid:http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f2c_1335896405
No the desrt scorp, wind scorp, and red scorp were kilked by similiar sized pedes. Do you know how to tell wjen they are the same size? You keep looking at length alone. Also wheres the mantis vid?
Side note: this is by far the most popular thread i have made.
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Ok since obviously parity from visuals is confusing how about just going by weights then?
Edited by Black Ice, Sep 18 2012, 12:01 PM.
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Sep 15 2012, 12:36 PM
A scorpion will eat millipedes, woodlice, centipedes, spiders, beetles, lizards and small rodents.

"Discovering mini-beasts".

Pic of a scorpion eating a centipede.

"centipedes fall prey to various mammals, birds, reptiles, insects, spiders, scorpions"
www.desertusa.com/animals/centipedes.html

"Chief foods are small insects, spiders, centipedes, earthworms, and other scorpions."
insects.tamu.edu

"Scorpions feed on a wide variety of organisms, including insects, spiders, centipedes and millipedes, and even small reptiles."
apps.caes.uga.edu

You know they contradict themselves by saying a "large" instead of "average" scorpion. Any idea the weights or how the fight played out? Or did it not say what happened? Judging by the article it sounds like a ambush scenario had happened.
Note: im not trying to sound like a smart ass ok?
Edited by Black Ice, Sep 18 2012, 12:09 PM.
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Sep 18 2012, 11:55 AM
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Sep 18 2012, 11:48 AM
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Sep 18 2012, 11:29 AM
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Sep 18 2012, 11:28 AM
Black Ice
Sep 18 2012, 11:16 AM
So you rank a matis over a pede huh?
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=jFuIjLVFFFI&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DjFuIjLVFFFI
A centipede would have done MUCH better than....... That.
A mantis technique is complete GARBAGE when going up against armored arthropods such as pedes or scorps.
the weights look similar I guess but the mantis they put in there was a weak hooded mantis, put in a member of the Hierodula genus (the ones knwon to take snakes larger than themselves) and the fight might've been a little more intense plus we already have scorpions beheading pedes in tha tone picture.
And i have pics and vids of pedes killing scorps, what are you trying to prove that hasnt already been countered by me? Also explain exactly what the snake killing mantis would have done differently? In the end its still gonna be scorp food.
all the pics were of much larger pedes


vid:http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f2c_1335896405
No the desrt scorp, wind scorp, and red scorp were kilked by similiar sized pedes. Do you know how to tell wjen they are the same size? You keep looking at length alone. Also wheres the mantis vid?
Side note: this is by far the most popular thread i have made.
wind and desert scorps are pretty weak (wind scorps aren't even scorpions they're Solifugaes) tho I'd like to see the red scorp vid. can't post vid but here's the link:


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f2c_1335896405&comments=1
Edited by Wild, Sep 18 2012, 07:08 PM.
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Sep 18 2012, 12:00 PM
Ok since obviously parity from visuals is confusing how about just going by weights then?
ok your red socrpion vid was a Malaysian centipede vs a red claw scorpion ok so, the malaysian pede is a subspecies of the Vietnamese pede but they look different, I don't know their weight tho (it's especially hard to find an arthropods weight), but I know they usually reach aorund 7.9 inches, red claw scorpion are usually 4-5 inches.
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Sep 18 2012, 11:16 AM
So you rank a matis over a pede huh?
http://..........
A centipede would have done MUCH better than....... That.
A mantis technique is complete GARBAGE when going up against armored arthropods such as pedes or scorps.
Let me comment this:
first of all, in that video a weak mantis species was used, with tiny head and skinny arms. And the mantis was smaller than the scorp.

I think mantises can do well against armored arthropods, as their jaws, albeit tiny can cut through hard exoskeleton, as you can see in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcc6mrl8_Y4

The real issue for the mantis is to successfully grab and hold its prey/foe while it chews through it. If the other arthropod exceeds a certain size or girth, the mantis arms simply cannot perform this task, and the insect is basically screwed. Since some arthropods have a wide frame, while most mantises are very thin, these bugs can be too much for a mantis even if they have similar weights. Generally smaller arthropods don't present a problem, except for hornets. From the many videos I have seen it seems mantises, even the strong giant Asian ones, simply cannot hold a hornet half their own length. If this depends on the great strength and activity of the hornet, its sting or some characteristics of its exoskeleton I cannot say.
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Sep 18 2012, 07:05 PM
Black Ice
Sep 18 2012, 11:55 AM
Wild Dog
Sep 18 2012, 11:48 AM
Black Ice
Sep 18 2012, 11:29 AM
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Sep 18 2012, 11:28 AM
Black Ice
Sep 18 2012, 11:16 AM
So you rank a matis over a pede huh?
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=jFuIjLVFFFI&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DjFuIjLVFFFI
A centipede would have done MUCH better than....... That.
A mantis technique is complete GARBAGE when going up against armored arthropods such as pedes or scorps.
the weights look similar I guess but the mantis they put in there was a weak hooded mantis, put in a member of the Hierodula genus (the ones knwon to take snakes larger than themselves) and the fight might've been a little more intense plus we already have scorpions beheading pedes in tha tone picture.
And i have pics and vids of pedes killing scorps, what are you trying to prove that hasnt already been countered by me? Also explain exactly what the snake killing mantis would have done differently? In the end its still gonna be scorp food.
all the pics were of much larger pedes


vid:http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f2c_1335896405
No the desrt scorp, wind scorp, and red scorp were kilked by similiar sized pedes. Do you know how to tell wjen they are the same size? You keep looking at length alone. Also wheres the mantis vid?
Side note: this is by far the most popular thread i have made.
wind and desert scorps are pretty weak (wind scorps aren't even scorpions they're Solifugaes) tho I'd like to see the red scorp vid. can't post vid but here's the link:


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f2c_1335896405&comments=1
STOP THE FRIGGIN QUOTING WILD DOG!!!!
Also the desert scorp was going up against a weak species of centipede also sooo no excuse there
And with the wind scorp thing yea i forgot they are camel spiders yet again but
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=WPYmCvp4Dws&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DWPYmCvp4Dws
They are both weak species of each but its clear the pede was the winner.
Sadly other than these two vids i cant find any more fights between the mantis or pede without ine bring much bigger than the other. Its all spider vs mantis and stuff.
Ih and actually i think camel and wolf spiders are above bird eaters now, oh and the funnel web spider.
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^ I';m sorry I did that unconsciously i'm really sorry, what pede species was fighting the desert scorp? Your video proved nothing, there was only one short scuffle and that was it the centipede just managed to barely get away, a clear win would imply the centipede utterly dominated and killed the mantis when in reality it was hardly a fight. how are wolf, camel, and funnel webs above goliath's?
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black ice, how do you play these vids you post? i hit the play button and i get some error message.
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hmm, this desert centipede killed this scorpion, what type of scorpion is this???
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Red claw scorpion and i dont know why i cant post vids lately
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Sep 19 2012, 04:51 AM
^ I';m sorry I did that unconsciously i'm really sorry, what pede species was fighting the desert scorp? Your video proved nothing, there was only one short scuffle and that was it the centipede just managed to barely get away, a clear win would imply the centipede utterly dominated and killed the mantis when in reality it was hardly a fight. how are wolf, camel, and funnel webs above goliath's?
That counts as a pede win as the scorpion fought, then decided to run away.
Thats a pede victory.
I say those spiders are above goliaths as they just are more aggressive, and camel spiders actually have fought and dominated same sized scorps.
Edited by Black Ice, Sep 20 2012, 11:46 AM.
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Sep 20 2012, 11:44 AM
Red claw scorpion and i dont know why i cant post vids lately
Not that you cant post videos, it is the videos you already posted that when I click on, I just cannot see them when hitting the play button.

One question though, since you know alot about Centipedes. For the largest centipedes, do the males grow larger than the females?
Edited by genao87, Sep 21 2012, 01:08 AM.
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No in pretty much every arthropod the females are bigger
Yes that applies to scorpions and centipedes, the species you would easily assume the males were bigger.
However im not sure about it in peruvian yellowleg centipedes.
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