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Centipede/spider/mantis/scorpion
Topic Started: Aug 18 2012, 08:59 AM (44,195 Views)
Vivec
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Depends on the type of bug, though a Giant Rainforest Mantis would always come out on top.
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Black Ice
Sep 26 2012, 07:38 PM
Now you calling them uninpressive because the prey they live with arent impressive? Wow.....
No their's plenty of impressive prey: numerous species of small lizards, brown tree snakes, and it would be especially impressive it it were found to take Burton's legless lizard which preys on other snkes and lizards. There's plenty of impressive prey to take that owuld keep it full for weeks yet it doesn't take them
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ZetaQuetzalcoatlus
Sep 30 2012, 01:14 AM
Depends on the type of bug, though a Giant Rainforest Mantis would always come out on top.
you mean at parity right?
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Wild Dog
Sep 30 2012, 01:42 AM
Black Ice
Sep 26 2012, 07:38 PM
Now you calling them uninpressive because the prey they live with arent impressive? Wow.....
No their's plenty of impressive prey: numerous species of small lizards, brown tree snakes, and it would be especially impressive it it were found to take Burton's legless lizard which preys on other snkes and lizards. There's plenty of impressive prey to take that owuld keep it full for weeks yet it doesn't take them
Exactly how do you know that?
Prey had nothing to do with killing another predator
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Black Ice
Sep 30 2012, 01:48 AM
Wild Dog
Sep 30 2012, 01:42 AM
Black Ice
Sep 26 2012, 07:38 PM
Now you calling them uninpressive because the prey they live with arent impressive? Wow.....
No their's plenty of impressive prey: numerous species of small lizards, brown tree snakes, and it would be especially impressive it it were found to take Burton's legless lizard which preys on other snkes and lizards. There's plenty of impressive prey to take that owuld keep it full for weeks yet it doesn't take them
Exactly how do you know that?
Prey had nothing to do with killing another predator
Uh how do I know that? I just looked up the funnel web's habitat and range and found a whole bunch of animals that shared the same range and could be potential prey, it' not hard. I don't exactly get your last sentance, the legless lizard fairlybig and predatory so that would make it quite impressive prey if it were killed
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Sep 30 2012, 02:09 AM
Black Ice
Sep 30 2012, 01:48 AM
Wild Dog
Sep 30 2012, 01:42 AM
Black Ice
Sep 26 2012, 07:38 PM
Now you calling them uninpressive because the prey they live with arent impressive? Wow.....
No their's plenty of impressive prey: numerous species of small lizards, brown tree snakes, and it would be especially impressive it it were found to take Burton's legless lizard which preys on other snkes and lizards. There's plenty of impressive prey to take that owuld keep it full for weeks yet it doesn't take them
Exactly how do you know that?
Prey had nothing to do with killing another predator
Uh how do I know that? I just looked up the funnel web's habitat and range and found a whole bunch of animals that shared the same range and could be potential prey, it' not hard. I don't exactly get your last sentance, the legless lizard fairlybig and predatory so that would make it quite impressive prey if it were killed
The big diffy is prey runs
Predators fight back more often, but whatever im to lazy
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Vivec
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Sep 30 2012, 01:43 AM
ZetaQuetzalcoatlus
Sep 30 2012, 01:14 AM
Depends on the type of bug, though a Giant Rainforest Mantis would always come out on top.
you mean at parity right?
No, always.
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Sep 30 2012, 02:31 AM
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Sep 30 2012, 02:09 AM
Black Ice
Sep 30 2012, 01:48 AM
Wild Dog
Sep 30 2012, 01:42 AM
Black Ice
Sep 26 2012, 07:38 PM
Now you calling them uninpressive because the prey they live with arent impressive? Wow.....
No their's plenty of impressive prey: numerous species of small lizards, brown tree snakes, and it would be especially impressive it it were found to take Burton's legless lizard which preys on other snkes and lizards. There's plenty of impressive prey to take that owuld keep it full for weeks yet it doesn't take them
Exactly how do you know that?
Prey had nothing to do with killing another predator
Uh how do I know that? I just looked up the funnel web's habitat and range and found a whole bunch of animals that shared the same range and could be potential prey, it' not hard. I don't exactly get your last sentance, the legless lizard fairlybig and predatory so that would make it quite impressive prey if it were killed
The big diffy is prey runs
Predators fight back more often, but whatever im to lazy
and your point is????and that lazy thing is getting kinda annoying and it sorta is starting to seem like an excuse to get out of every debate ^o)
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ZetaQuetzalcoatlus
Sep 30 2012, 02:40 AM
Wild Dog
Sep 30 2012, 01:43 AM
ZetaQuetzalcoatlus
Sep 30 2012, 01:14 AM
Depends on the type of bug, though a Giant Rainforest Mantis would always come out on top.
you mean at parity right?
No, always.
That's crazy, goliath birdeaters, amazon giant , and emperor scorpions are all at least around 10 times the size/weight of even very large mantis', taking them down would be impossible simply becuase of the huge size diff.
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Sep 30 2012, 03:34 AM
ZetaQuetzalcoatlus
Sep 30 2012, 02:40 AM
Wild Dog
Sep 30 2012, 01:43 AM
ZetaQuetzalcoatlus
Sep 30 2012, 01:14 AM
Depends on the type of bug, though a Giant Rainforest Mantis would always come out on top.
you mean at parity right?
No, always.
That's crazy, goliath birdeaters, amazon giant , and emperor scorpions are all at least around 10 times the size/weight of even very large mantis', taking them down would be impossible simply becuase of the huge size diff.
Because weight and size mean all? No. Besides the Giant rainforest Mantis hunts snakes, I doubt scorpions do.
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Sep 30 2012, 03:31 AM
Black Ice
Sep 30 2012, 02:31 AM
Wild Dog
Sep 30 2012, 02:09 AM
Black Ice
Sep 30 2012, 01:48 AM
Wild Dog
Sep 30 2012, 01:42 AM
Black Ice
Sep 26 2012, 07:38 PM
Now you calling them uninpressive because the prey they live with arent impressive? Wow.....
No their's plenty of impressive prey: numerous species of small lizards, brown tree snakes, and it would be especially impressive it it were found to take Burton's legless lizard which preys on other snkes and lizards. There's plenty of impressive prey to take that owuld keep it full for weeks yet it doesn't take them
Exactly how do you know that?
Prey had nothing to do with killing another predator
Uh how do I know that? I just looked up the funnel web's habitat and range and found a whole bunch of animals that shared the same range and could be potential prey, it' not hard. I don't exactly get your last sentance, the legless lizard fairlybig and predatory so that would make it quite impressive prey if it were killed
The big diffy is prey runs
Predators fight back more often, but whatever im to lazy
and your point is????and that lazy thing is getting kinda annoying and it sorta is starting to seem like an excuse to get out of every debate ^o)
It actually is.
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ZetaQuetzalcoatlus
Sep 30 2012, 06:08 AM
Wild Dog
Sep 30 2012, 03:34 AM
ZetaQuetzalcoatlus
Sep 30 2012, 02:40 AM
Wild Dog
Sep 30 2012, 01:43 AM
ZetaQuetzalcoatlus
Sep 30 2012, 01:14 AM
Depends on the type of bug, though a Giant Rainforest Mantis would always come out on top.
you mean at parity right?
No, always.
That's crazy, goliath birdeaters, amazon giant , and emperor scorpions are all at least around 10 times the size/weight of even very large mantis', taking them down would be impossible simply becuase of the huge size diff.
Because weight and size mean all? No. Besides the Giant rainforest Mantis hunts snakes, I doubt scorpions do.
of well for a seocnd I thought you were talking about in fighting each other but yes I agree in hunting the ginat asian mantis is supreme
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Actually no its not.
Its either web spiders or the giant water bug or centipede.
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Oct 13 2012, 07:19 AM
Actually no its not.
Its either web spiders or the giant water bug or centipede.
Web spiders- They rely fully and utterly on their webs for their predation feats, for example when a female orb weaver in Queens land happened upon a 1.5 ft brown tree snake she cautiosly began consuming it, every time the snake attmpted to lunge or threatened to attack she would always scamper up her web and wait until the snake stopped struggling, without her web there would be no way on earth she could take the snake, it would tear her up. she lacks the neccessary physical ability for it. Every bit of her success relies in the quality and state of her web, the only work she does is spinning it then eating the prey as with all web spiders


Giant water bug- Very much a possibility I just don't have too much info on the size of the snakes they take


Centipedes- only one case of it killing somehting larger than itself and the prey barely fought back, not too impressive but I give it some creidt for potential I have some fiaht in the pede that it could take a snake larger than itself. There is a video on youtube of a pede taking a snake longer than itself (not the one you posted) tho the snke lacks robuscity and is as skinny as a twig and non-aggressive too


Now compare this to mantis' tkaing snkes larger than themselves and bird three times their size, now tell me who rains supreme in predation
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You said predation. Not the way they do it.
Also pedes take bats which are worse then hummingbirds
And snakes are actually cataloged as part of the pedes diet. Just like mantis are preyed upon by snakes as well.
Mantis dont particularly take thuck robust snakes either btw. Downgrade one you must downgrade the other.
Edited by Black Ice, Oct 13 2012, 09:42 AM.
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