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Centipede/spider/mantis/scorpion
Topic Started: Aug 18 2012, 08:59 AM (44,191 Views)
Black Ice
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Wild dog i hope your joking when you say at parity a tarantula loses to a mantis?
You cant be serious. I see it like this
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Imo the camel and funnel web spider beat scorpions st parity.
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But no wild dog a tarantula would trash a mantis at parity.
Mantis cant even kill they just grab and start eating.
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Black Ice
Oct 17 2012, 12:56 AM
Wild dog i hope your joking when you say at parity a tarantula loses to a mantis?

Imo the camel and funnel web spider beat scorpions st parity.

But no wild dog a tarantula would trash a mantis at parity.
Mantis cant even kill they just grab and start eating.
I doubt it. Tarantulas have bulky bodies and at parity they would be quite small compared to mantises. And in the fights I have seen between similar sized scorps and camel sps the former generally won. I don't know about the funnel web, but it seems spiders do poorly against scorps and generally need quite a size advantage.
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Well ive heard of camel spiders bulldozing over and killing scorps of same size.
Also spiders are pretty robust and hyperactive with defense. All the mantis has is those thingies. But i just cant see a mantis taking a funnel camel or goliath or even a red trapdoor spider at parity.
Screw it im on the spiders side now.
Edited by Black Ice, Oct 17 2012, 08:18 AM.
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Black Ice
Oct 17 2012, 08:17 AM
Well ive heard of camel spiders bulldozing over and killing scorps of same size.
Also spiders are pretty robust and hyperactive with defense. All the mantis has is those thingies. But i just cant see a mantis taking a funnel camel or goliath or even a red trapdoor spider at parity.
Screw it im on the spiders side now.
camel's aren't spider's thier solifugae's also I'll post how mantis' would kick a spider's abdomen later
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Dont show that tiny spider letting a mantis eat it as proof either lol.
And i put camel spiders ad spiders.
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http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=GAbG1_Dl8_8&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DGAbG1_Dl8_8
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Oct 17 2012, 08:46 AM
the scorpion was small and lacked the claw strength of an emperor, replace that with a red clawed scorpion and you'd have one dead camel spider. This is how a parity fight would go but with a dead spider:



vid link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMDG2U9En2E

The spider in the video has a large wolf spider with good sized fangs and robustness, notice how the mantis easily restrains the spider by getting a good hold on the legs and cradling it? That's the best way to deal with spider's, they must engulf their prey in their legs than land a quick bite but it' their held back they're useless. The praying mantis only was in danger when she lost her traction on the slippery plaster allowing the heavier spider to tip her over and gain an advantage
Edited by Wild, Oct 18 2012, 06:22 AM.
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Your vid isnt showing.
But anyway venom beats grip power so...
And is that the vid of that spider LETTING the mantis eat its legs?
Edited by Black Ice, Oct 18 2012, 06:20 AM.
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Oct 18 2012, 06:18 AM
Your vid isnt showing.
But anyway venom beats grip power so...
no not wean your fangs are hooked downward meaning you have no reach if you're held back
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Oct 18 2012, 06:20 AM
Black Ice
Oct 18 2012, 06:18 AM
Your vid isnt showing.
But anyway venom beats grip power so...
no not wean your fangs are hooked downward meaning you have no reach if you're held back
Im pretty sure your proof is the vid where the spider idly sat by while the mantis was eating its leg right?
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I just seen it and you know whats funny?
When i show a centipede or spider killing a scorpion or mantis near parity you always find an excuse that its pincers are weak or its a weak mantis breed. Yet im supposed to take you showing a mantis failing against a skinny wolf spider not a tarantula or camel spider?
See the problem here?
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Oct 18 2012, 06:27 AM
I just seen it and you know whats funny?
When i show a centipede or spider killing a scorpion or mantis near parity you always find an excuse that its pincers are weak or its a weak mantis breed. Yet im supposed to take you showing a mantis failing against a skinny wolf spider not a tarantula or camel spider?
See the problem here?
yea I see the problem it's impossible to find a 4 gram tarantula or a 100 gram mantis so I have to use smaller examples, what makes a wolf spider and a tarantula so different anyway? Don't say robustness becuase a tarantula gets its bulky look from it's hairs. On the other hand you CANNOT even begin to compare some desert scorpion to an emperor scorpion, their like polar opposites, even their killing methods are different. Also have you seen a hood mantis next too a hierodula? It's like a 90 pound weakling next to a body builder. Also you box out all my vids using different species of centipedes too. Not to mention there are vids showing centipedes being killed by parity mantis' and you call crap on that
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You do no different.
Anyway what about this
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=jO-Qt-grD2Q&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DjO-Qt-grD2Q
Your the one saying mantis are the best fighters at parity, then you use the the mantis is too small excuse.
Which is it? Are they the best fighters or are they too small?
Edited by Black Ice, Oct 18 2012, 06:45 AM.
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Oct 18 2012, 06:43 AM
You do no different.
Anyway what about this
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=jO-Qt-grD2Q&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DjO-Qt-grD2Q
Your the one saying mantis are the best fighters at parity, then you use the the mantis is too small excuse.
Which is it? Are they the best fighters or are they too small?
let me say about that vid, Do you honestly think the mantis and the tarantula were even close to similar weights? You realize even a 4 gram mantis is considered large? Also notice how the mantis had the upperhand in the first few seconds and had a firm grip, becuase the tarantula probably had quite a few grams on it it was thrown to the side and crushed up like a piece of paper. The wolf spider mantis fight I posted seemed at more equal weights considering how small mantis' are. It's not an excuse its a fact there's a reason i had to use the vid with the "tiny" wolf spider was becuase of how paper light mantis' are, even in the vid the spider probably still weighed more, did you see how when it crashed into the sides on the container it created a racket and how it threw the mantis off like a counter balance? Definitely signs that its a more weighty animal. Besides u can't use videos to prove every little thing so I use logic and arguments. Let me tell you my vid was probably the best representation of how a parity fight between the two would go and wolf spiders are quite good predators
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Shorten it i have a serious headache today.
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