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Centipede/spider/mantis/scorpion
Topic Started: Aug 18 2012, 08:59 AM (44,190 Views)
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Black Ice
Oct 18 2012, 07:09 AM
Shorten it i have a serious headache today.
Spider weighs too much , remember mantis light as paper



my vid show closer weights, little difference between wolf spider and tarantula
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I showed the same thing, just scaled up versions.
Remember spiders are mostly legs and hair.
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I just read your entire post and no. Thats not proof of how a proper fight would.
In order to prove your point you must post multiple examples to rule out the flukes and lucky shots.
You just show one video and then say thats how a fight will happen when in reality that could have been a fluke. So no you just showed a mantis has the capacity to restrain a spider, not kill it. They just grab and start eating as they have no effecient way of killing their prey.
Seriously how do you expect a mantis to kill a centipede or spider as quickly as vice versa?
And your the mantis slipped is a poor excuse as the spider was also slipping and falling as well. But in the end the fight was a stalemate as the spider broke free.
Edited by Black Ice, Oct 18 2012, 07:33 AM.
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You can write longer posts if you wish now, my head feels better.
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Black Ice
Oct 18 2012, 07:18 AM
I showed the same thing, just scaled up versions.
Remember spiders are mostly legs and hair.
remember an average tarantula weighs around 40-100 grams while even the largest species of mantis top it off at 20 grams
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Oct 18 2012, 09:34 AM
Black Ice
Oct 18 2012, 07:18 AM
I showed the same thing, just scaled up versions.
Remember spiders are mostly legs and hair.
remember an average tarantula weighs around 40-100 grams while even the largest species of mantis top it off at 20 grams
Well then it looks like we cant debate this then.
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Oct 18 2012, 07:23 AM
I just read your entire post and no. Thats not proof of how a proper fight would.
In order to prove your point you must post multiple examples to rule out the flukes and lucky shots.
You just show one video and then say thats how a fight will happen when in reality that could have been a fluke. So no you just showed a mantis has the capacity to restrain a spider, not kill it. They just grab and start eating as they have no effecient way of killing their prey.
Seriously how do you expect a mantis to kill a centipede or spider as quickly as vice versa?
And your the mantis slipped is a poor excuse as the spider was also slipping and falling as well. But in the end the fight was a stalemate as the spider broke free.
mantis' don't just eat their prey alive, their's evidence of them spearing hummingbirds with their raptorial front legs.

Mantis don't kill quickly, that's the genius of their design, their forearms are perfect for holding large struggling prey and their mouth parts work quickly picking away at meat, fur, feathers, and exoskeleton like scalpels. and no the spider wasn't slipping it wasn't even on it's feet, it was on it's back all it had to do was roll over and use it's body as a counter weight, the mantis unable to keep a grip on the flat slippery terrain couldn't support itself as the spider rolled over
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Oct 18 2012, 09:36 AM
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Oct 18 2012, 09:34 AM
Black Ice
Oct 18 2012, 07:18 AM
I showed the same thing, just scaled up versions.
Remember spiders are mostly legs and hair.
remember an average tarantula weighs around 40-100 grams while even the largest species of mantis top it off at 20 grams
Well then it looks like we cant debate this then.
oh yes we can, I have another amazing parity fight:



A tiny mantis fends off a barn funnel weaver, even when caught in the spiders' web the mantis viciously defends itself and gives the spider quite the beating tearing off one of it's limbs and sending it running
Edited by Wild, Oct 18 2012, 09:46 AM.
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Centipede, otherwise a very robustly built scorpion would defeat the others at parity (in terms of body mass).

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Oct 18 2012, 09:48 AM
Centipede, otherwise a very robustly built scorpion would defeat the others at parity (in terms of body mass).

a centipede's not beating a scorpion at average sizes
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Oct 18 2012, 09:40 AM
Black Ice
Oct 18 2012, 07:23 AM
I just read your entire post and no. Thats not proof of how a proper fight would.
In order to prove your point you must post multiple examples to rule out the flukes and lucky shots.
You just show one video and then say thats how a fight will happen when in reality that could have been a fluke. So no you just showed a mantis has the capacity to restrain a spider, not kill it. They just grab and start eating as they have no effecient way of killing their prey.
Seriously how do you expect a mantis to kill a centipede or spider as quickly as vice versa?
And your the mantis slipped is a poor excuse as the spider was also slipping and falling as well. But in the end the fight was a stalemate as the spider broke free.
mantis' don't just eat their prey alive, their's evidence of them spearing hummingbirds with their raptorial front legs.

Mantis don't kill quickly, that's the genius of their design, their forearms are perfect for holding large struggling prey and their mouth parts work quickly picking away at meat, fur, feathers, and exoskeleton like scalpels. and no the spider wasn't slipping it wasn't even on it's feet, it was on it's back all it had to do was roll over and use it's body as a counter weight, the mantis unable to keep a grip on the flat slippery terrain couldn't support itself as the spider rolled over
The spider was slipping, a dead give away was when it fell bring the mantis on its side.
No excuse there.
Also thats also their flaw when facing spiders.
Its two long limbs vs 8 coupled with impressive fangs, the spider if a robust species could use all its limbs as hands and manipulate the mantis as i showed in my video.
Its easy to spear a animal thats unaware or ambushed, not so much with a spider.
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Oct 18 2012, 09:51 AM
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Oct 18 2012, 09:48 AM
Centipede, otherwise a very robustly built scorpion would defeat the others at parity (in terms of body mass).<br /><br />
a centipede's not beating a scorpion at average sizes
Uh.... Yes it is.
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Oct 18 2012, 09:45 AM
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Oct 18 2012, 09:36 AM
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Oct 18 2012, 09:34 AM
Black Ice
Oct 18 2012, 07:18 AM
I showed the same thing, just scaled up versions.
Remember spiders are mostly legs and hair.
remember an average tarantula weighs around 40-100 grams while even the largest species of mantis top it off at 20 grams
Well then it looks like we cant debate this then.
oh yes we can, I have another amazing parity fight:



A tiny mantis fends off a barn funnel weaver, even when caught in the spiders' web the mantis viciously defends itself and gives the spider quite the beating tearing off one of it's limbs and sending it running
What happened to web spiders being weak now?
Your contradicting yourself trying to prove mantis superiority. House centipedes break free from webs for christ sake.
Thats not even a fight, thats a failed hunting attempt.
Edited by Black Ice, Oct 18 2012, 10:01 AM.
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Here's something interesting i found out, hobo spiders, which are basically the North American equivalent of a Sydney funnel web becuase of their aggression and potency, are regularly preyed on by European mantis', in fact European mantis flourish in the U.S cause of hobo spider populations. think about it, they regularly feast on one of America's most dangerous species. I know the spider's not very big but according to your logic "poison > grip" the spider should have little trouble killing a European mantis
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Oct 18 2012, 10:01 AM
Here's something interesting i found out, hobo spiders, which are basically the North American equivalent of a Sydney funnel web becuase of their aggression and potency, are regularly preyed on by European mantis', in fact European mantis flourish in the U.S cause of hobo spider populations. think about it, they regularly feast on one of America's most dangerous species. I know the spider's not very big but according to your logic "poison > grip" the spider should have little trouble killing a European mantis
So now spiders dont prey on mantis but vice versa happens?
What are you trying to prove? Mantis predation on spiders?
By your logic having a decent grip means you are the ultimate parity fighter.
Edited by Black Ice, Oct 18 2012, 10:03 AM.
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