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| Wild | Oct 24 2012, 06:01 AM Post #526 |
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just read an article of a robberfly pinning a hummingbird to the ground and almost succeeding, VERY impressive definitely first pick as best aerial predator Aquatic is controversial, i've seen giant water bugs take quite big snakes and turtles |
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| Mantra78 | Oct 26 2012, 01:07 AM Post #527 |
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http://www.gladiatorbugs.com/enter-the-arena/14-mantis-vs-solpugid.html As you can see, the Chinese Mantis is quite a bit bigger. But a rainforest mantis of the same size (or smaller) was able to kill a camel spider easily. But the most important fact is, I think, who can land the first strike. Both of these animals possess such formidable weapons that first strike becomes very critical. Most times the mantis wins is because it has the ability to use its long, spiked and very strong arms to pin the opponent before the opponent can use its weapons (in most cases, huge jaws). But when it does not, as in this video, then the opponent can quickly kill it. |
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| Mantra78 | Oct 26 2012, 01:19 AM Post #528 |
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Yes, I saw that picture of that lethocerus attacking that turtle. Here's a dysticus larva with a full grown newt (or salamander) http://www.flickr.com/photos/mercar/5082796581/ |
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| Mantra78 | Oct 26 2012, 01:27 AM Post #529 |
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Here's another dysticus larvae taking on jumbo sized prey http://bugguide.net/node/view/281288 A good example of the aggressiveness of this tiny beast http://www.flickr.com/photos/briangratwicke/4394868873/ |
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| Mantra78 | Oct 26 2012, 01:51 AM Post #530 |
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Just came across this picture today. Dytiscus larvae are fearless, no doubt. http://mediateca.educa.madrid.org/imagen/ver.php?id_imagen=8pqtksslqciyzz36 Maybe because they have jaws that look like these that make them think they can take on anything. http://www.flickr.com/photos/7391668@N03/7379108920 |
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| Cat | Oct 26 2012, 03:52 AM Post #531 |
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Who would win in a face-off between Ditiscus and Epomis? Maybe it would be good for a new thread in the Interspecific Conflicts, but I still don't understand very well the procedure for requesting face-offs. In the old forum posters could post them as normal threads. |
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| Black Ice | Oct 26 2012, 03:59 AM Post #532 |
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Request them here cat http://carnivoraforum.com/topic/9686458/36/#new |
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| Wild | Oct 26 2012, 05:01 AM Post #533 |
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@ mantra, all your pictures depict them taking amphibians that aren't too much bigger than them. Amphibians are poor representations of "dangerous prey" |
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| Mantra78 | Oct 27 2012, 12:48 AM Post #534 |
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Yes, amphibians..........well....they live in water so that's the food they are going to get. I have read a report in which a dytiscus larva killed a 7 inch garter snake. As they rarely go over 2.5 inches themselves, I thought that was a pretty impressive kill. And dragonfly nymphs are pretty formidable predators themselves, but it seems that at parity, diving beetle larva always dominate. Here's one catching a dragonfly nymph for dinner http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5184/5675925401_9b9c9baa60_z.jpg I've been looking for more images, but can't find them. |
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| Wild | Oct 27 2012, 09:32 AM Post #535 |
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The snake account is impressive but my point is I'm not being convinced on how aggressive or predatorily skilled they are just by a few accounts of them taking amphibians |
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| Wild | Oct 31 2012, 10:46 AM Post #536 |
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have you found any pics of your mantids or tarantulas yet? Can you post them if so? |
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| Bright Nights | Nov 1 2012, 10:56 AM Post #537 |
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OK you guys.....a centipede isn't a centipede without it's venom. A mantis isn't a mantis without an ambush strike. How the hell can you go about saying one animal is "better" than the other other than superiority in a face-to-face fight? "rushing" or ambush attacks are very much a part of the mantis' lifestyle. In face-to-face, its chances go down. Fact. Scorpions are pretty impressive in 1 vs 1 fights. I don't need the excuse that they "have armor" for them to be built for fighting. I voted Pede......scorpion a close second though. |
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| Black Ice | Nov 1 2012, 11:05 AM Post #538 |
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THANK YOU ^ |
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| Wild | Nov 1 2012, 11:16 AM Post #539 |
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A mantis chances in face to face are only hindered by it's size. Fact. Of course its clear face to face every arthropods chances go down an ambush makes it easier for every creature to kill. Also I realize its impossible to compare the two species side by side now. Why would you vote pede tho: ![]() ????????? |
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| Black Ice | Nov 1 2012, 11:18 AM Post #540 |
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Uh i showed a pede killing a red claw scorpion and a video remember????? Why bring up stuff i already countered? What's the story behinf that pic anyway? Was the pede already dead? Was it ambushed? Edited by Black Ice, Nov 1 2012, 11:20 AM.
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