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Centipede/spider/mantis/scorpion
Topic Started: Aug 18 2012, 08:59 AM (44,217 Views)
Black Ice
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http://ula.academia.edu/Jes%C3%BAsMolinari/Papers/671590/Predation_by_giant_centipedes_Scolopendra_gigantea_on_three_species_of_bats_in_a_Venezuelan_cave
Read it and weep guys I doubt a mantis can take a bat much heavier than it! Centipedes are superior to mantis in both fighting and killing
Edited by Black Ice, Aug 18 2012, 11:22 AM.
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That is really impressive, but remember that they have a powerful venom. Bats would die instantly...
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They dont die instantly. They fight back furiously for a while...then die. Just shows how powerful the pede is in order to hold on to one while upside down
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Venom does all the work.
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No the centipede must keep the bat from escaping while dangling from the ceiling.
So no venom only does part of the work. The centipedes strength restrains the bat
Edited by Black Ice, Aug 18 2012, 11:36 AM.
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When Scorpions are of similar size to Centipedes they'll win as they do against Tarantulas and Mantids which are both sub par fighters without ambush. So I say Scorpions, tho when talking biggest Centipede wins.
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Ive only seen scorpions kill smaller centipedes. Never seen one take the larger ones
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Deny, deny, deny.
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Starkiller
Aug 18 2012, 11:46 AM
Ive only seen scorpions kill smaller centipedes. Never seen one take the larger ones
I've seen a smaller desert Scorpion kill a larger Centipede on those Gladiator Bug fights.
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And ive seen spiders kill those scorpions,then watched the centipede kill them. In all raund the centipede won nearly every fight it was in. even against the emperor scorpion
Edited by Black Ice, Aug 18 2012, 12:03 PM.
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Like DinosaurMichael said in the tiger vs lion thread, sometimes wins centipede, and sometimes the scorpion.
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Starkiller
Aug 18 2012, 11:16 AM
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Aug 18 2012, 10:59 AM
linnaeus1758
Aug 18 2012, 10:21 AM
If you remove the fangs of a centipede, would not have anything to do without the fangs, but if you removed the sting of a scorpion, still would have the pincers.
the pincers of smaller scorpions are VERY weak they're only used to hold smaller prey like a cricket threat don't even really require subduing also armor has nothing to do with anything, scorpions aren't impressive at all, show me any account or video of a scorpion taking something larger than some insect. Even emperor scorpions don't prey on anything bigger than a large grasshopper honestly the only thing notable about them is their amazing claw strength their aggressiveness and overall predatory skill really doesn't seem like too much. Centipedes are not very strong either they need like 6-10 of their front legs to be able to control prey, their tactic of corralling their prey works for their body shape tho and they're quite a force to be reckoned with but their venom always makes their feats less impressive. Tarantula's and spiders don't take very impressive things either , fer-de-lance's (as with many venomous snakes) are overrated by the general public, they're small, thin and not very aggressive a large female Goliath could easily take one especially in an ambush (which seem to be the only cases when the spider will attack). On the other hand a large praying mantis is a REAL force of nature, their speed and precision is unparalleled. Their two front arms are immensely strong being able to hang upside down and dangle hummingbirds from the, they can achieve what centipede's need 8 arms for with only 2.


Mantis get punked by anything that fights back wild dog. You say centipede arent strong? They overpower tarantulas and scorpions! Something ive never seen a mantis do. Heck a mantis cant even kill a slighty smaller spider without nearly dying. Centipedes wrap around you and restrain your movements. To say a mantis is stronger or more impressive than a spider scorpion or centipede in any way is silly also that whole 2 legs vs 8 thing. You do realise the mantises arms are significantly longer right?
mantis' don't get punked by anything that fights back? Are you kidding? They handle snakes larger than themselves for pete's sake. Dude taking scorpions is NOT impressive, scorpions aren't strong neither are they aggressive. They only take things like insects. The tarantula in the video was caught in an ambush and couldn't even move becuase it was corralled in like two seconds. Praying mantis'
ARE more impressive. How could you even rank a scorpion near one concerning killing ability scorpions don't take things bigger than large insects, I already explainable the fer de lance ting for the spider the snake is not as deadly as people take on, and centipede's honestly are the most formidable of spiders or scorpions but their corralling technique doesn't seem to work well with long animals like snakes, They sometimes are killed by snakes of similar size look a this:



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Sorry buddy my lazyness kicked in so ill read that later
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Aug 18 2012, 12:47 PM
Sorry buddy my lazyness kicked in so ill read that later
ok no probs it's getting late anyways I'll drop one more post so you'll have two things to read tommorrow
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I'd like to mention giant water bugs should be included in this whole "arthropod predator showground" too. They're big aggressive predators look at this:

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/13500857

Though as I suspected they rely powerful venom and I don't see them accomplishing these feats without it
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Ok for your 1st post.
I mean scorpions are superior fighters to mantis. Not hunters. Also I never denied a snake could kill a centipede. But just look at their fighting techniques
Tarantulas use their brute force and run you over then sinks their fangs in
Scorpions hold you with their pincers while they repetedly stab you with their tails
Centipedes use their entire body as a weapon, wrapping you up to restrain your movements,then sinking those fangs into armor,skin or whatever.
What do mantis do? Their slim build makes it easier for the spider to pin it,the scorp to grab it with little resistance,and the centiped to wrap around it. I just don't see mantis as good fighters. Have you seen them fight same sized arthropods etc? they always come out worse. But back to the snake thing
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DooFSFR2s7Ig&v=ooFSFR2s7Ig&gl=US
This one took a frog
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