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Centipede/spider/mantis/scorpion
Topic Started: Aug 18 2012, 08:59 AM (44,215 Views)
Black Ice
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Dude hummingbirds are nothing compared to a bat. Pit a same sized bat as big as the humming bird and youd be giving the bat a snack.
Centipedes are better hunters than mantis because they hunt dangerous prey. All a mantis will do is catch a bug here and their and actually yes I have heard isolated accounts of mantis taking birds.
Centipedes use their physical power to attack and restrain
Snakes,spiders,bats,scorpion,beetles,MANTIS( I can show a vid of a small one killing a mantis)reptiles,amphibian,and even mammals
The worst animal you hear a mantis take is a snake and even spiders have killed snakes
The centipede hunts more dangerous and tougher animals than the mantis using a combination of speed,physical power and killing tactics.
Therefore the centipede is the superior hunter and fighter
Unless you can show a vid of a mantis killing tarantulas etc. and no the venom takes longer than you think to kill the animal. Especially the larger prey items.
Edited by Black Ice, Aug 19 2012, 03:02 AM.
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Aug 19 2012, 01:27 AM
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Aug 19 2012, 12:04 AM
Ok for your 1st post.
I mean scorpions are superior fighters to mantis. Not hunters. Also I never denied a snake could kill a centipede. But just look at their fighting techniques
Tarantulas use their brute force and run you over then sinks their fangs in
Scorpions hold you with their pincers while they repetedly stab you with their tails
Centipedes use their entire body as a weapon, wrapping you up to restrain your movements,then sinking those fangs into armor,skin or whatever.
What do mantis do? Their slim build makes it easier for the spider to pin it,the scorp to grab it with little resistance,and the centiped to wrap around it. I just don't see mantis as good fighters. Have you seen them fight same sized arthropods etc? they always come out worse. But back to the snake thing
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DooFSFR2s7Ig&v=ooFSFR2s7Ig&gl=US
This one took a frog
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the mantis' size limits it from being able to compete with the larger arthropods, a 4 gram mantid is considered large while an average emperor scorpion is around 30 grams, Goliath's get around 170 grams and Amazonian Centipedes are a whopping 250 grams. But gram for gram praying mantis seem to be the most powerful a 4 gram praying mantis can temporarily restrain a snake 5 times it's size, just look at this article of praying mantis predation on brown tree snakes:

www.fort.usgs.gov/Products/Publications/22999/22999.pdf (copy and paste this URL into your browser view the article)

Also arthropods taking frogs isn't impressive, frogs are defenseless and hardly put up a good struggle (unless its like a 400 gram bullfrog).
Yes mantis are very strong for their size but in the end the result depends a lot on which species interact with whom. I have seen many videos of fights between mantises and Japanese hornets and the hornets always won, also against mantises over twice their own length. Only in one video I saw a mantis winning, but I think it was an ambush. Also different species may have different capabilities. I have seen a video of a mantis losing to a smaller camel spider, and a video of a different mantis species taking on two camel spiders simultaneously.
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Hey stop comparing those animals, both are excellent hunters.
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What is wrong with comparing them? It seems you have a grudge against comparing animals to eachother to find out their abilities.
There is nothing wrong with what we are doing.
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Weell continue comparing.
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The best/strongest/coolest arthopods are crustaceans :D
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Crabs? Do they even kill mammals?
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i think that centipedes win , but overall lobsters at average and devils coach horses for their size
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Aug 19 2012, 03:02 AM
Dude hummingbirds are nothing compared to a bat. Pit a same sized bat as big as the humming bird and youd be giving the bat a snack.
Centipedes are better hunters than mantis because they hunt dangerous prey. All a mantis will do is catch a bug here and their and actually yes I have heard isolated accounts of mantis taking birds.As I aCentipedes use their physical power to attack and restrain
Snakes,spiders,bats,scorpion,beetles,MANTIS( I can show a vid of a small one killing a mantis)reptiles,amphibian,and even mammals
The worst animal you hear a mantis take is a snake and even spiders have killed snakes
The centipede hunts more dangerous and tougher animals than the mantis using a combination of speed,physical power and killing tactics.
Therefore the centipede is the superior hunter and fighter
Unless you can show a vid of a mantis killing tarantulas etc. and no the venom takes longer than you think to kill the animal. Especially the larger prey items.
Dude in your first statement you heavily overrated bats, a majority of the species are insect eating or nectar sipping pacifist, they're also usually not very big and have a thin frame and frail bones. There's no way even a spectral bat could take on a hummingbird of the same size, they don't have the strength for it. That's why you always see carnivorous bat taking prey smaller than themselves like little passerines and minnows. Hummingbirds are hyper-active which makes them hard prey to catch and restrain, they freakin beat there wings at 55 times per second imagine them caught in a mantis' grip trying to escape they would beat their wings so hard and shake and twist with every ounce of strength their little bodies had. The task of being able to hold them AND hang upside down from 4 legs would take immense strength. A hummingbird for a mantis is more impressive than a bat for a centipede. Centipede's use their physical power to just get a solid, firm grip on prey, they don't even have to maintain that grip anywhere as long as mantis' do, then they just let the venom work. Their venom actually is extremely painful and moves quicker than you might assume. A human feels the effects fairly quickly after begin bitten. For a human soon after being bitten they feel typical nausea, headaches, crazy painful swelling and what not but for a small vertebrate that's different. as soon as the venom is injected the effects would begin, paralysis would rapidly set in meaning prey would struggle less and less them we have the slowing of the heart rate and death. Centipedes DO NOT hunt tougher prey I already stated why a little scorpion is nothing to a centipede and I told you a small tarantula caught in an ambush isn't much to a ten inch centipede either. Also there's only like one account of a centipede killing a snake and the snake hardly struggled indicating something was screwed up there (or the centipede had injected venom already). Spiders only kill snakes CAUGHT IN WEBS, so they can't fight back and tarantulas grab only small fer-de-lances in ambush but put a tarantula up against a fer de lance 3 times it's size let's see how it handles that. As I admitted before the centipede's size make it a better fighter but not hunter. A snake that is twice or three times your size is MUCH more dangerous to you than some small tarantula caught in an ambush or another snake that is only a few inches longer than you. The largest prey item I've seen a pede take is that snake in the video but even the snake barely put up a fight. Praying mantis can use several physical attributes to take out prey can can ADAPT different methods to dispatch a meal whether it means impaling prey thru the chest (like a hummingbird) or grabbing it's neck and engaging in a fierce struggle like a snake. It also can adapt its movements and takes large, powerful, and dangerous prey.
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Can you say your post in a couple of sentences or a paragraph? Maybe condense it more? As I find it hard to read text that large without rereading the same line or accidentally missing a sentence or two.
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Aug 19 2012, 05:51 AM
Can you say your post in a couple of sentences or a paragraph? Maybe condense it more? As I find it hard to read text that large without rereading the same line or accidentally missing a sentence or two.
ok basic points:

1. hummingbird tougher prey than bat becuase of hyper-activity

2. most dangerous prey pede has taken is that one snake in the video that was a few inches bigger


3. most dangerous prey mantis has taken is a snake that's 2-3 times larger


4. Spider's only prey on unimpressive snakes either in web or ambush


5. mantis can utilize several tactics to adapt to dangerous prey pedes depend way too much on venom


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Aug 19 2012, 06:07 AM
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Aug 19 2012, 05:51 AM
Can you say your post in a couple of sentences or a paragraph? Maybe condense it more? As I find it hard to read text that large without rereading the same line or accidentally missing a sentence or two.
ok basic points:

1. hummingbird tougher prey than bat becuase of hyper-activity

2. most dangerous prey pede has taken is that one snake in the video that was a few inches bigger


3. most dangerous prey mantis has taken is a snake that's 2-3 times larger


4. Spider's only prey on unimpressive snakes either in web or ambush


5. mantis can utilize several tactics to adapt to dangerous prey pedes depend way too much on venom


1. Bats actually try to kill the centipede and see them as prey. Its like eternal enemies thing. Humming birds don't even fight back. They try to flee
2.most danerous prey the pede has taken are bats tarantulas and snakes. Even tarantulas have preyed on snakes. And the bats 9/10 is much larger than the pede
3.so have spiders, I can show vids of frontal fights if you wish? The spider wins frequently
4.no spiders have eaten much larger snakes. How is the snake the mantis hunts anymore impressive?
5.venom is the last thing the pede uses. It first wraps around its prey using sheer physical force to restrain it. Then it pierces its hide with those fangs then continues to restrain it. Every now and then it just proceeds to eat the animal alive. Not even regarding the venom.
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Aug 19 2012, 06:19 AM
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Aug 19 2012, 06:07 AM
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Aug 19 2012, 05:51 AM
Can you say your post in a couple of sentences or a paragraph? Maybe condense it more? As I find it hard to read text that large without rereading the same line or accidentally missing a sentence or two.
ok basic points:

1. hummingbird tougher prey than bat becuase of hyper-activity

2. most dangerous prey pede has taken is that one snake in the video that was a few inches bigger


3. most dangerous prey mantis has taken is a snake that's 2-3 times larger


4. Spider's only prey on unimpressive snakes either in web or ambush


5. mantis can utilize several tactics to adapt to dangerous prey pedes depend way too much on venom


1. Bats actually try to kill the centipede and see them as prey. Its like eternal enemies thing. Humming birds don't even fight back. They try to flee
2.most danerous prey the pede has taken are bats tarantulas and snakes. Even tarantulas have preyed on snakes. And the bats 9/10 is much larger than the pede
3.so have spiders, I can show vids of frontal fights if you wish? The spider wins frequently
4.no spiders have eaten much larger snakes. How is the snake the mantis hunts anymore impressive?
5.venom is the last thing the pede uses. It first wraps around its prey using sheer physical force to restrain it. Then it pierces its hide with those fangs then continues to restrain it. Every now and then it just proceeds to eat the animal alive. Not even regarding the venom.
1. Dude in your first statement you heavily overrated bats, a majority of the species are insect eating or nectar sipping pacifist, they're also usually not very big and have a thin frame and frail bones. There's no way even a spectral bat could take on a hummingbird of the same size, they don't have the strength for it. That's why you always see carnivorous bat taking prey smaller than themselves like little passerines and minnows. Hummingbirds are hyper-active which makes them hard prey to catch and restrain, they freakin beat there wings at 55 times per second imagine them caught in a mantis' grip trying to escape they would beat their wings so hard and shake and twist with every ounce of strength their little bodies had

2. Spiders only kill snakes CAUGHT IN WEBS, so they can't fight back and tarantulas grab only small fer-de-lances in ambush but put a tarantula up against a fer de lance 3 times it's size let's see how it handles that.


3. i'd like to see vids of spider frontal fights with larger snakes


4. Spiders have NOT eaten snakes 2-4 times their size like mantis' have

5. Wrong, wrapping aorund prey and overwhelming them with several arms is easy when your 10-18 in. long, the centipede only needs a GRIP it doesn't need to SUBDUE prey just to grip on long enough to inject venom, after venom is injected then centipede grips so it can begin feeding becuase the prey basically goes comatose as soon as those fangs go in

Edited by Wild, Aug 19 2012, 06:38 AM.
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You underrate bats.
"insect eating" you say
What is a mantis? How about a centipede? Or a spider? The centipede is actually capable of killing the animal that preys on it. Never seen a mantis be able to kill a predator of it.
If you actually watch a centipede prey on something it wraps around it. After that the prey struggles but never gets free. Mantis lose to hornets and prey halve their size in head on hunting. Also your non believing in spiders
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0QsZ8MiaZCE
The snake was a good deal bigger. And once again if centipedes only need a grip. Then why waste time an effort wrapping your whole body around a struggling victim? You think centipedes are terrible without their venom
Edited by Black Ice, Aug 19 2012, 06:49 AM.
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Aug 19 2012, 06:44 AM
You underrate bats.
"insect eating" you say
What is a mantis? How about a centipede? Or a spider? The centipede is actually capable of killing the animal that preys on it. Never seen a mantis be able to kill a predator of it.
If you actually watch a centipede prey on something it wraps around it. After that the prey struggles but never gets free. Mantis lose to hornets and prey halve their size in head on hunting. Also your non believing in spiders
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0QsZ8MiaZCE
The snake was a good deal bigger. And once again if centipedes only need a grip. Then why waste time an effort wrapping your whole body around a struggling victim? You think centipedes are terrible without their venom
Yeah but will a bat take an insect that is similar in size to it? Heck no! And like i said bats are no were near as panicky and energetic as hummingbirds so they won't struggle as hard. Snakes are known to prey on mantis in some circumstances but mantis' kill snakes also. Also centipede's don't deal with too much struggling becuase their prey is dead in like a second:




The centipede simply injects the mouse then wraps around it so it can begin to eat it that's why the video is called "Giant centipede eating mouse" there is no real struggle, and don't you go saying "the centipede wrapped around the mouse to restrain it's movements that's why it appears to be no struggle". The centipede wrapped around the mouse to begin EATING as you can see in the rest of the video the centipede has it's front arms coiled aorund the mouse, part of it's eating habits is to cradle prey while feasting.

Dude the spider video was bull crap it was the exact video I was pointing to, you can't have a tiny fer de lance against a giant Brazilian salmon tarantula that probably weighs close to it and call that a fight. Towards the end of the fight you see the snake is only about as robust as one of the spider's legs! Also it was a COMPLETE AMBUSH the snake had NO IDEA while the tarantula was completely prepared. The fer de lance was basically screwed as soon as it slithered into the burrow. It presented it's head right up to the tarantula's fangs, preventing it form evening having to chance to land a bite. The spider didn't even have to overpower the snake it jut had to bite it once! Centipede's would be crap without their venom, their arms are too short to hold their struggling prey as long as a mantis.
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