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Centipede/spider/mantis/scorpion
Topic Started: Aug 18 2012, 08:59 AM (44,214 Views)
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Sorry wild dog but this will have to be postponed as im very close to exceeding the daily posting limit. So if you have any more thoughts just keep adding on. Ill have to get to them sometime later
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Aug 19 2012, 07:44 AM
Sorry wild dog but this will have to be postponed as im very close to exceeding the daily posting limit. So if you have any more thoughts just keep adding on. Ill have to get to them sometime later
ok you know I could just PM you or you could wait a few seconds and post and when it tells you that you've exceeded it just keep clicking post till your post shows up. I ALWAYS exceed the daily posting limit lol
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Really!!!! Ok then lol yea but a pm would be better.
Edited by Black Ice, Aug 19 2012, 07:48 AM.
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Aug 19 2012, 07:42 AM
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Aug 19 2012, 06:44 AM
You underrate bats.
"insect eating" you say
What is a mantis? How about a centipede? Or a spider? The centipede is actually capable of killing the animal that preys on it. Never seen a mantis be able to kill a predator of it.
If you actually watch a centipede prey on something it wraps around it. After that the prey struggles but never gets free. Mantis lose to hornets and prey halve their size in head on hunting. Also your non believing in spiders
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0QsZ8MiaZCE
The snake was a good deal bigger. And once again if centipedes only need a grip. Then why waste time an effort wrapping your whole body around a struggling victim? You think centipedes are terrible without their venom
Yeah but will a bat take an insect that is similar in size to it? Heck no! And like i said bats are no were near as panicky and energetic as hummingbirds so they won't struggle as hard. Snakes are known to prey on mantis in some circumstances but mantis' kill snakes also. Also centipede's don't deal with too much struggling becuase their prey is dead in like a second:




The centipede simply injects the mouse then wraps around it so it can begin to eat it that's why the video is called "Giant centipede eating mouse" there is no real struggle, and don't you go saying "the centipede wrapped around the mouse to restrain it's movements that's why it appears to be no struggle". The centipede wrapped around the mouse to begin EATING as you can see in the rest of the video the centipede has it's front arms coiled aorund the mouse, part of it's eating habits is to cradle prey while feasting.

Dude the spider video was bull crap it was the exact video I was pointing to, you can't have a tiny fer de lance against a giant Brazilian salmon tarantula that probably weighs close to it and call that a fight. Towards the end of the fight you see the snake is only about as robust as one of the spider's legs! Also it was a COMPLETE AMBUSH the snake had NO IDEA while the tarantula was completely prepared. The fer de lance was basically screwed as soon as it slithered into the burrow. It presented it's head right up to the tarantula's fangs, preventing it form evening having to chance to land a bite. The spider didn't even have to overpower the snake it jut had to bite it once! Centipede's would be crap without their venom, their arms are too short to hold their struggling prey as long as a mantis.
The spider was actually less than halve the size and it wasnt a ambush. They were staring at eachother. Also of course the pede wont need to restrain a BABY mouse. It was much bigger than the mouse. Just had to point that out. Oh the snake might not have been robust but it had VENOM!!!! It could have just bit the spider.
Edited by Black Ice, Aug 19 2012, 07:52 AM.
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Aug 19 2012, 07:51 AM
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Aug 19 2012, 07:42 AM
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Aug 19 2012, 06:44 AM
You underrate bats.
"insect eating" you say
What is a mantis? How about a centipede? Or a spider? The centipede is actually capable of killing the animal that preys on it. Never seen a mantis be able to kill a predator of it.
If you actually watch a centipede prey on something it wraps around it. After that the prey struggles but never gets free. Mantis lose to hornets and prey halve their size in head on hunting. Also your non believing in spiders
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0QsZ8MiaZCE
The snake was a good deal bigger. And once again if centipedes only need a grip. Then why waste time an effort wrapping your whole body around a struggling victim? You think centipedes are terrible without their venom
Yeah but will a bat take an insect that is similar in size to it? Heck no! And like i said bats are no were near as panicky and energetic as hummingbirds so they won't struggle as hard. Snakes are known to prey on mantis in some circumstances but mantis' kill snakes also. Also centipede's don't deal with too much struggling becuase their prey is dead in like a second:




The centipede simply injects the mouse then wraps around it so it can begin to eat it that's why the video is called "Giant centipede eating mouse" there is no real struggle, and don't you go saying "the centipede wrapped around the mouse to restrain it's movements that's why it appears to be no struggle". The centipede wrapped around the mouse to begin EATING as you can see in the rest of the video the centipede has it's front arms coiled aorund the mouse, part of it's eating habits is to cradle prey while feasting.

Dude the spider video was bull crap it was the exact video I was pointing to, you can't have a tiny fer de lance against a giant Brazilian salmon tarantula that probably weighs close to it and call that a fight. Towards the end of the fight you see the snake is only about as robust as one of the spider's legs! Also it was a COMPLETE AMBUSH the snake had NO IDEA while the tarantula was completely prepared. The fer de lance was basically screwed as soon as it slithered into the burrow. It presented it's head right up to the tarantula's fangs, preventing it form evening having to chance to land a bite. The spider didn't even have to overpower the snake it jut had to bite it once! Centipede's would be crap without their venom, their arms are too short to hold their struggling prey as long as a mantis.
The spider was actually less than halve the size and it wasnt a ambush. They were staring at eachother. Also of course the pede wont need to restrain a BABY mouse. It was much bigger than the mouse. Just had to point that out. Oh the snake might not have been robust but it had VENOM!!!! It could have just bit the spider.
It was an ambush becuase the snake had no idea the spider was there, the spider is an ectotherm so it depends on external means to regulate body temperature so the spider will be the same temperature as it's environment. The snake uses heat sensors to detect prey in the dark so the tarantula having it's body temperature the same as it's surroundings would blend in. Also the viper doesn't have very good eyesight (especially cause its dark) so i now has like zero visibility on the tarantula. The snake had it's head right in front of the spider meaning it was going to be VERY EASY for the spider to grab a hold of it and keep it's head from biting, that's why snakes coil back before they strike , if their head is too close to their opponent it would be at risk of having it's head seized so it couldn't bite. The snake was only longer not more robust (robustness is a good indicator of size in snakes) which means it wasn't very powerful or big.

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Dumb it down please. Lol I have a disease called lazyness lmao
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Aug 19 2012, 08:32 AM
Dumb it down please. Lol I have a disease called lazyness lmao
basic points:

1. snake couldn't see spider becuase snake sees heat and spider's heat blends with the heat of it's surroundings


2. It was dark, snake no have good eyesight


3. Snake head very close to spider fangs, make it easy for spider to grba head and stop it form biting


4. snake not thick therefore not very big or strong

5. Snake only longer than spider not bigger
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You do realise fer de lances are venemous? King cobras aren't robust in the least yet look at how toxic they are
The spider also has terrible senses and relies on feel to find food so senses wasn't an issue, either that or the spider has superior senses
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Aug 19 2012, 09:05 AM
You do realise fer de lances are venemous? King cobras aren't robust in the least yet look at how toxic they are
The spider also has terrible senses and relies on feel to find food so senses wasn't an issue, either that or the spider has superior senses
Dude king snakes are robust! Have you seen a king snake! Their thick as heck!

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Did you even listen to the video the spider first of all set trip-wire webs everywhere so it knew the snake was there before it even entered the burrow, then it began to feel the subtle vibrations in the earth that the snake produced the narrator said it's hairs were so sensitive it could tell the size, shape, and speed of the snake as it entered the burrow, then he said the tarantula prepared to strike and showed an actual image of the tarantula getting in ready position to strike the snake.
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Aug 19 2012, 04:55 AM
Crabs? Do they even kill mammals?
LOL Crustacea is more than just Crabs...
BTW, Most crabs are not terrestrial (though those do eat birds)...
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Aug 19 2012, 12:02 PM
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Aug 19 2012, 04:55 AM
Crabs? Do they even kill mammals?
LOL Crustacea is more than just Crabs...
BTW, Most crabs are not terrestrial (though those do eat birds)...
example/evidence?
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That most crabs are aquatic or that some do eat birds?
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Aug 19 2012, 01:02 PM
That most crabs are aquatic or that some do eat birds?
some eat birds of course
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There's a video of a praying mantis killing a similar sized centipede in a Japanese bug fight, I'll PM it to you Starkiller becuase it'll probably be deleted as animal cruelty if I post it. The video kinda proves praying mantis are fairly good fighter's their opponents just have to be within their size range. I'd favor a mantis over a tarantula, centipede, or scorpion at parity. The only thing those arthropods have on a mantis are a HUGE size advantage.
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