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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 18 2012, 08:59 AM (44,212 Views) | |
| Black Ice | Aug 21 2012, 07:30 AM Post #121 |
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Yet I may be able to only show one vid bust you must know that there probably are centipedes out there that kills snakes much larger, if a mantis can do it why not a centipede? Also humans aren't there to record everytime a animal kills something much larger than it. But I still doubt a mantis is proportianately stronger than a centipede. You show them killing snakes Yet much smaller hornets have bested them, so have spiders and scorpions! You see what this is becoming? |
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| Wild | Aug 21 2012, 07:44 AM Post #122 |
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True it's not like any one of them is invincible it's not like centipedes' haven't been bested by less robust snakes. The point isn't who has less predators it's who takes out more impressive prey. I also am reconsidering my claim the mantis is stronger but it certainly is a better predator IMO. I know humans don't record everything but records is all we have, if there are no records basing the claim then it's nothing more than a claim, in AWD vs casso I could have easily said "I'm sure at one point in the existence of the species a pack of awd's has killed an ostrich" but what would everyone say? |
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| Black Ice | Aug 21 2012, 07:48 AM Post #123 |
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They would base it off "no accounts" instead of "no one is going to record every awds kill" Just shows you and me how closed minded people can be. |
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| Wild | Aug 21 2012, 07:53 AM Post #124 |
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no one will record every kill but someone is going to record a notable kil if a giant centipede killed a snake 3 times it's size they would've made videos. articles, and even some form of news about it the general public are amazed/disgusted by that kinda stuff kinda like when that orb weaver killed a foot long snake in it's web, it made MSN news. So for now we do the best with what we got, I mean there's no reason that there would not be a report of a pede killing a larger snake pedes' live literally side by side with humans they make their homes right near we do and they certainly aren't rare to find. Edited by Wild, Aug 21 2012, 07:55 AM.
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| Black Ice | Aug 21 2012, 07:55 AM Post #125 |
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You know how hard it is and rare for centipedes and snakes to fight? I doubt a human is nearby to document it, or look for any traces of it happening. 9/10 you see them seperately P.s. I finally took your advice and getting my name changed back to "Black Ice" Edited by Black Ice, Aug 21 2012, 07:57 AM.
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| Wild | Aug 21 2012, 07:58 AM Post #126 |
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Centipede's are NOT hard to find, that guy found a HUGE one right by his doorstep and there's a video of one eating a gecko right in the middle of the street. They make lairs in the crevices and cracks in human homes. Many species of snakes also take refuge near human settlements in our backyards and decks and what not in the tropics where both centipedes' and snakes are abundant there's bound to be predation. Edited by Wild, Aug 21 2012, 07:59 AM.
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| Black Ice | Aug 21 2012, 07:59 AM Post #127 |
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No I said its rare to find a centipede and a snake fighting. |
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| Wild | Aug 21 2012, 08:00 AM Post #128 |
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but centipede's are ravenous predators and will go for ANYTHING that they can find they're not picky so fights can't be THAT rare but I get what you mena kinda. |
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| Cat | Aug 22 2012, 12:35 AM Post #129 |
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I'ts not actually. The genus Aparallactus, small rear-fanged venomous snakes, are specialized in preying on centipedes. They are called 'centipede eaters' and can eat scolopendras that are over twice their own body diameter. They can do this because their body surface is particularly slick and doesn't offer much purchase to the pede's pincers, while its poison seems to have evolved to act quicky on arthropods. There is also a snake called 'scorpion eater' but I don't have much information about it. So at the end of the day, it's not possible to generalize. It depends on which species is involved. Centipedes can probbaly prey on bigger non-venomous snakes, and maybe even some small venomous species. But against centipede eaters they don't stand much of a chance, despite the latter's tiny size, like tarantulas are almost defenceless against tarantula hawk wasps, even if a reversal of outcome can occur in exceptional cases. Arthropods may be nasty critters, but they lack the flexibility of more complex animals. I think that, for instance, a zebra can survive a lion attack more often than a bug can survive its specialized predator. |
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| Black Ice | Aug 22 2012, 12:39 AM Post #130 |
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Bats specialize in eating centipedes yet look what happens! Vice versa Centipedes eat fer de lances which are extremely venemous also. Lions specialize in buffalo etc yet if a buffalo fought back one on one it would most likely prevail. |
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| Cat | Aug 22 2012, 01:20 AM Post #131 |
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As I said it depends on the species. Some species of bats prey on some species of centipedes and some species of pedes prey on certain (small) bat species. I never heard about pedes eating fer de lance vipers. I guess they are small specimen, like those that are preyed upon by tarantulas. Fer de lance vipers prey on small mammals so their poison is probably not as effective against arthropods like the poison of the centipede eaters. Mammals seem more flexible and their interactions more complex than when bugs are involved. A buffalo or even a zebra can turn the table on a lion more frequently than a tarantula on a pepsis wasp, despite the size disproportion. |
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| Black Ice | Aug 22 2012, 01:24 AM Post #132 |
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Yea you do have a point, ive never heard of a spider killing a wasp head on |
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| Wild | Aug 22 2012, 06:46 AM Post #133 |
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You make a good point cat you too about accounts I'm starting to think neither of these arthropods are the "ultimate arthropod predators" maybe the giant water bug deserves this claim |
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| Black Ice | Aug 22 2012, 06:50 AM Post #134 |
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Giant water bug? |
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| Black Ice | Aug 22 2012, 07:38 AM Post #135 |
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Wild dog this impressive enough for you?
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