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Torvosaurus vs Edmontonia
Topic Started: Sep 13 2012, 08:38 AM (4,631 Views)
Vodmeister
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Torvosaurus
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Torvosaurus was a large predator that walked on two powerful legs, had a strong, and S-shaped neck. It had a massive tail, a bulky body, and heavy bones. Its arms were short and it had sharp claws. Torvosaurus was up to 33-40 ft (10-12 m) long and 8 ft (2.5 m) tall at the hips. It weighed up to 3 tonnes. Torvosaurus and Allosaurus were similar, but there were quite a few differences between the two genera. For example, they had very different vertebrae, and the limbs (especially the arms) of Torvosaurus were more robust than those of Allosaurus.
Torvosaurus was a huge carnivore, a meat eater equipped with sharp, pointed teeth in large, powerful jaws - it was the biggest meat-eater in its habitat. This theropod also had long, sharp clawed hands, but its arms were a bit larger than those of T. rex. Torvosaurus probably ate large, plant-eating dinosaurs, such as Stegosaurus and sauropods.
Torvosaurus was a large, fierce predator that could kill medium-sized sauropods (or sick or injured large sauropods like Apatosaurus) and many others of its contemporaries. Torvosaurus may also have been a scavenger.

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Edmontonia was an armoured dinosaur, a part of the nodosaur family from the Late Cretaceous Period. It is named after the Edmonton Formation (now the Horseshoe Canyon Formation), the unit of rock it was found in.
Edmontonia was bulky and tank-like at roughly 6.6 m (22 ft) long and 2 m (6 ft) high. It had small, ridged bony plates on its back and head and many sharp spikes along its back and tail. The four largest spikes jutted out from the shoulders on each side, two of which were split into subspines in some specimens. Its skull had a pear-like shape when viewed from above. It weighed about 3.2 - 3.5 tonnes.
The large spikes were probably used between males in contests of strength to defend territory or gain mates. The spikes would also have been useful for intimidating predators or rival males, protection, or for self-defense against animals in its size-range. To protect itself from much larger predators than itself, an Edmontonia might have crouched down on the ground to minimize the possibility of attack to its defenseless underbelly.
Edited by Vodmeister, Sep 13 2012, 08:43 AM.
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Wait a minute, did they give you permission to make a thread in the interspecific conflict?
Anyways, 50/50 until later comments
Edited by Carcharadon, Sep 13 2012, 08:43 AM.
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Well... I didn't really ask Emperor Taipan, but I think it's a good thread. :D
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Vodmeister. I think only Wolf Eagle and I can make threads since we're the mods of this section of the Forum. However just this once. I'll have a thread that was made by you open. So please don't make a thread again and just request it on the Interspecific Conflict Guidelines & Requests.

Anyway as for this fight. I'd go with the Ankylosaurid. Due to it's armor and the spikes, which could hurt Torvosaurus rather easily.
Edited by DinosaurMichael, Sep 13 2012, 09:44 AM.
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OK. Sorry, won't happen again.

As for this match-up I'd go for Edmontonia too. It's slightly bigger by about 10-15%, and in my opinion it's pound for pound one of the best armed animals to have ever walked on Earth. Don't get me wrong, Torvosaurus had a lethal bite and was quite a good brawler and assassin, but the Ankylosaurid had heavy build armor and spikes covering its entire body, tail swings were likely capable of delivering devastating to any theropod in its weight range. Thus I believe it was well-equipped to deal with a tad smaller Torvosaurus.

I would personally favor the Edmontonia 65% of the time.
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Sep 13 2012, 09:50 AM
OK. Sorry, won't happen again.
No worries.
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If it aint t rex, it aint beatin no ankylosaurid.
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European Torvosaurus would destroy the ankylosaurid, but American Torvosaurus would lose
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Sep 13 2012, 10:35 AM
European Torvosaurus would destroy the ankylosaurid, but American Torvosaurus would lose
How much larger/more formidable was the European Torvosaurus than the American one?
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Vodmeister
Sep 13 2012, 11:21 AM
brolyeuphyfusion
Sep 13 2012, 10:35 AM
European Torvosaurus would destroy the ankylosaurid, but American Torvosaurus would lose
How much larger/more formidable was the European Torvosaurus than the American one?
Much larger...more than twice the size...I did the calculation, and you'll see the size disparity...

My post from the Daspletosaurus vs Torvosaurus thread
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Jul 1 2012, 07:35 PM
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Jul 1 2012, 06:22 PM
If some larger weight estimates hold true then I would definitely give it the edge.
In 2006 a nearly complete maxilla found in Portugal was assigned to Torvosaurus tanneri. It measured 63 cm in length, significantly larger than the 47 cm long maxilla of the American specimen (total skull length 118 cm). Based on this, a skull length of 158 cm was estimated for the Portuguese specimen.

american Torvosaurus skull length: 1.18 meters
american Torvosaurus total body length: 9 meters
american Torvosaurus body mass: 2200 kilograms

therefore, Torvosaurus' body length is about 7.627 times it's skull length

european Torvosaurus skull length: 1.58 meters
european Torvosaurus total body length: 12.05 meters
european Torvosaurus body mass: 5281 kilograms

and the chances of that being the maximum size is vanishingly small

Torvosaurus is the clear winner here

Torvosaurus is often underrated because of the wimpy american variant, the european Torvosaurus is a true superpredator
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american Torvosaurus body mass: 2200 kilograms

I wonder where do you get that mass estimates from ??
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Sep 13 2012, 02:15 PM
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american Torvosaurus body mass: 2200 kilograms

I wonder where do you get that mass estimates from ??
From the Wikipedia article about Torvosaurus...
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Most articles give Torvosaurus a weight range of 2000 - 2200 kg, at 3000 kg I used quite a large specimen in this match-up.

If brolyeuphyfusion's calculations are correct, then would this mean a bull European Torvosaurus was comparable in size to a moderate sized Tyrannosaurus Rex?
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it was about the same size as T. rex, and we have seen how smalle an ankylosaurus is compared to rex. torvosaurus has a lethal bite comparable to that of a large tyrannosaur in strenght, it has the weapons to bring the ankylosaur down, and this one doesn´t have a tailclub.
3000kg is far too low for a large torvosaurus, that´s rather the size of the femur-specimen.
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Torvosaurus vs Edmontonia.


Here it is.
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