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Asian Elephants stronger than African Elephants?!?!
Topic Started: Oct 5 2012, 10:27 PM (9,203 Views)
Agentjaguar
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Isn't the Asian elephant more aggressive? I guess they are blurring the definitions of "stronger" and "aggressive". Similar to tigers - Siberian being bigger but less aggressive than the Bengal, but I'd still put my money on the Siberian in a fight.
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Asian elephants have been tamed while African elephants haven't, though wild Asians does seem to be more aggressive.
By the way Siberian tigers are no bigger than Bengal tigers, if you meant size by mass and not length or height.
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May 19 2015, 03:34 PM
Asian elephants have been tamed while African elephants haven't, though wild Asians does seem to be more aggressive.
By the way Siberian tigers are no bigger than Bengal tigers, if you meant size by mass and not length or height.
but isnt a pure siberian bigger than bengal by mass? or were siberian tigers the same just as they re today?
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No currently on average Bengal tigers have slightly higher mass, while Siberian tigers are slightly longer.
Edited by maker, May 20 2015, 07:03 AM.
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Show me a source. Every source I found gives the Siberian a slightly higher mass
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Because most of those sources are secondary sources, non-scientific articles with no primary sources as references.
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Here's a scientific article in Russian on size comparisons of modern Bengal and Siberian tigers:
http://fishowls.com/Slaght%20et%20al%202005.pdf
Don't tell me that it's "common knowledge" that Siberian tigers are larger, scientific sources>secondary non-scientific sources no matter the quantity, i.e. quality>quantity.
Edited by maker, May 20 2015, 08:34 PM.
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The largest, the Siberian tiger can reach weights exceeding 700 pounds and reach lengths of 10+ feet

http://bigcatrescue.org/tiger-facts/

"Siberian (or Amur) tigers are the world's largest cats"

http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/mammals/siberian-tiger/

"The reduction of the body weight of today's Siberian tigers may be explained by concurrent causes, namely the reduced abundance of prey due to illegal hunting and that the individuals were usually sick or injured and captured in a conflict situation with people."

Skull measurements confirm this theory:

"The skull of the Siberian tiger is characterized by its large size, and is similar to the skull of a lion. It differs in the structural features of the lower jaw and relative length of nasals. The facial region is very powerful and very broad in the region of the canines.[5] The skull prominences, especially sagittal crest and crista occipitalis are very high and strong in old males, and often much more massive than usually observed in the biggest skulls of Bengal tigers."

Skull measurements are considered by most scientists to me the midst reliable method.. it means adult healthy Siberian tigers are usually bigger.

There's a source that states that any size disparity is pretty much negligible:

"Siberian tigers are often considered the largest of the tiger sub-species, although they are in fact about the same size as the Bengal tiger"
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May 20 2015, 06:44 PM
The largest, the Siberian tiger can reach weights exceeding 700 pounds and reach lengths of 10+ feet
The National Geographic size is greatly exaggerated, they make it look as if Siberian tigers average 300 kg and the size comparison with the man is just terrible.
Plus it's states no sources, the links and tables I posted are much more reliable.
Notice that I said "currently", I don't deny that Siberian tigers used to be the same mass or even heavier than Bengal tigers, but now it's not the case.
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I agree, national geographic is one of the worst reliable site, they sometimes deliberately lie to make show, like the story of the "big male leopard" killed by boars, in fact it was a young weak adult already paralysed by an other male leopard in a battle.
Bad site.
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I'm pretty sure this thread is not about tigers.
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Wombatman
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Im not sure about the answer, probably asian elephants are stronger at equal weights.
Anyway Ive just found this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=10&v=5RpgfwQzuzk
(cant show video here for some reason)

A chained and tired asian elephant pushes around a truck like nothing and then flips it.
Edited by Wombatman, May 24 2015, 04:58 AM.
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J.A.W.
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Hannibal used trained African war elephants to march across the Alps & rampage through Italy..

The Persians, who had access to both species for their war purposes would surely know..
..are there any historical records available which note their findings/preferences?
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The Persians rarely, if eve used elephants.
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bitisgabonica
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indians also had war elephants
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apparently there are reports of biggest asian elephants out there in remote western Nepal..the documentary is this by Niall McCann of 18000lbs giant elephant...u can jst skip and look from 29:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoCAI7yBZgM
Edited by jimmy, Oct 11 2015, 03:37 PM.
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