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Who wins?
Sun Bear 13 (72.2%)
Yacare Caiman 5 (27.8%)
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Sun Bear v Yacare Caiman
Topic Started: Oct 11 2012, 05:10 PM (2,094 Views)
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Sun Bear - Ursus malayanus
The sun bear (Ursus malayanus), sometimes known as the honey bear, is a bear found primarily in the tropical rainforests of Southeast Asia; North-East India, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Southern China, Peninsular Malaysia, and the islands of Sumatra and Borneo. The sun bear is 120–150 cm (47–60 in) long, making it the smallest member in the bear family (Ursidae). Males tend to be 10–45% larger than females; the former normally weigh between 30 and 70 kg (66–154 lb), and the latter between 20 and 40 kg (44–88 lb). The shoulder height is about 60–72 cm (24–28 in). The sun bear possesses sickle-shaped claws that are relatively light in weight. It has large paws with naked soles, probably to assist in climbing. Its inward-turned feet make the bear's walk pigeon toed, but it is an excellent climber. The diet of the sun bear consists mainly of invertebrates and fruits but as omnivores they will eat a wide variety of foods including small vertebrates, such as lizards, birds, and turtles, eggs, the young tips of palm trees, nests of bees, berries, sprouts, roots, and coconuts. In fact, sun bears have been observed to eat over 100 insect species and over 50 plant species.

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Yacare Caiman - Caiman yacare
The Yacare caiman (Caiman yacare, Jacaré in Portuguese) is a species of caiman found in central South America, including northeastern Argentina, Uruguay eastern Bolivia, central/south-west Brazil, and the rivers of Paraguay. Approximately 10 million individual Yacare Caiman exist within the Brazilian Pantanal, representing what is quite possibly the largest single crocodilian population on Earth. As a medium-small sized crocodilian, most adult male individuals grow to roughly 2 or 2.5 m (6.6 or 8.2 ft) in length, with the occasional 3 m (9.8 ft) individual (there are reports of occasional 4 m (13 ft) individuals within the Pantanal, but this is yet to be verified). Females are rather smaller at an average of 1.4 m (4.6 ft). Body mass in this species can range up to 58 kg (130 lb) in males and from 14 to 23 kg (31 to 51 lb) in females. Their relatively smaller size makes them a favorite prey of the jaguar and green anaconda. This species diet consists primarily of fish (especially piranha) and birds, with the occasional capybara being taken by larger adults.

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Pardus
Oct 10 2012, 09:52 PM
Yacare Caiman vs Sun Bear
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221Extra
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The sun bear should win this, the caiman is a small game & fish eater, it's ill suited for fighting a carnivoran like a sun bear.
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Carcharadon
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50/50
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221extra
Oct 12 2012, 02:31 PM
the caiman is a small game & fish eater
Yes, it is. But remember: the bear eats mostly fruit, insects and small vertebrates. The diet is not determinative here.
Edited by Mauro20, Oct 13 2012, 06:58 AM.
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Felines, sharks, birds, arthropods
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50/50. The Sun Bear has aggression and better weaponry, while the caiman has armor. Difficult choice.
Edited by Vivyx, Jun 21 2013, 04:00 AM.
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Mauro20
Oct 13 2012, 06:57 AM
221extra
Oct 12 2012, 02:31 PM
the caiman is a small game & fish eater
Yes, it is. But remember: the bear eats mostly fruit, insects and small vertebrates. The diet is not determinative here.
When you quote me out of context, yes it would make it seem like I'm saying the diet is determinative here, the point is the Caiman has a jaw structure adapted specifically small animals & "particularly snails" (tbh all Crocodilians struggle with similar sized animals regardless, but this particular species maybe even more ill suited then most), not Carnivores just as big if not bigger then itself. The Sun Bear may be a fruit eater, but it's more then well armed, which is the least I can say for the Caiman.
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Catboy
Feb 17 2014, 01:41 AM
Sun Bear vs Spectacled Caiman.
I know there is a weight difference, but it's at least better than Sun Bear vs Freshwater Crocodile. Besides, the Caiman has some sharp teeth of it's own and has armour on it's side


We do have this thread, and the Yacare Caiman is very similar in size to the Spectacled Caiman!
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The All-seeing Night
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Why are bear vs Crocodilian threads so popular? Anyway, leaning towards the bear due to it's loose skin ( since it would give the caiman a hard time trying to "grab and hold" to kill) and because it has enough power to overpower the reptile.
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NeoNotoungulata
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In smaller scales, the ursid has heaps of chances here, of corse the crocodilian will dart its jaws faster in these smaller sizes, but the bear with its porportionally big claws, flexiable arms, should give it the Edge
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