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| Savuti Pride v Tarbosaurus bataar | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 16 2012, 05:20 PM (9,671 Views) | |
| Taipan | Oct 16 2012, 05:20 PM Post #1 |
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Savuti Pride - Panthera leo The Savuti Pride is a pride of lions numbering about 30 members famous for killing elephants. The lion (Panthera leo) is one of the four big cats in the genus Panthera, and a member of the family Felidae. With some males exceeding 250 kg (550 lb) in weight, it is the second-largest living cat after the tiger. Wild lions currently exist in Sub-Saharan Africa and in Asia with an endangered remnant population in Gir Forest National Park in India, having disappeared from North Africa and Southwest Asia in historic times. Until the late Pleistocene, about 10,000 years ago, the lion was the most widespread large land mammal after humans. They were found in most of Africa, across Eurasia from western Europe to India, and in the Americas from the Yukon to Peru. The lion is a vulnerable species, having seen a possibly irreversible population decline of thirty to fifty percent over the past two decades in its African range. The African lion is a very large cat, with males weighing between 330 and 550 pounds and females weighing between 260 and 400 pounds. It is 8 to 10 feet long, not including the tail. Its most famous feature is its mane, which only male lions have. The mane is a yellow color when the lion is young and darkens with age. Eventually, the mane will be dark brown. The body of the African lion is well suited for hunting. It is very muscular, with back legs designed for pouncing and front legs made for grabbing and knocking down prey. It also has very strong jaws that enable it to eat the large prey that it hunts. ![]() Tarbosaurus bataar Tarbosaurus belongs in the subfamily Tyrannosaurinae within the family Tyrannosauridae, along with the earlier Daspletosaurus, the more recent Tyrannosaurus and possibly Alioramus. Animals in this subfamily are more closely related to Tyrannosaurus than to Albertosaurus and are known for their robust build with proportionally larger skulls and longer femurs than in the other subfamily, the Albertosaurinae. Although many specimens of this genus have been found, little definite data was confirmed on the dinosaur as of 1986, though it was presumed to share many characteristics with other tyrannosaurids. The close similarities have prompted some scientists to suggest a possible link between the North American and Eurasian continents at that time, perhaps in the form of a land bridge. As with most dinosaurs, Tarbosaurus size estimates have varied through recent years. It could have been 10 meters long, with a weight of 4 to 5 tons ![]() __________________________________________________________________________-
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| retic | Aug 14 2013, 02:10 PM Post #16 |
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tarbosaurus wins. it could kill a lion with a single bite and even though lions been known to kill elephants, the elephants they kill are ussually young, old, and sick individuals. i have yet to see a pride of lions kill a healthy bull elephant. tarbosaurus takes this 70/30. |
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| Asadas | Aug 14 2013, 03:17 PM Post #17 |
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T rex has the strongest bite ever, and a relative would be very challenging for a pride of lions. If enough manage to leap on its rear they may hold on and take it down as long as it doesn't get back up. Male lions are bold enough to chase sunadults on their own without a pride but maybe it's just play.![]() ...n the Savuti area of Botswana lions will not run immediately from an elephant charge. ..Were the struggles of the dying elephant the reason that the Savuti pride realised they could kill adult elephant. ..Answers My response to the initial question regarding the development of taste for prey, is simple. Lions specialize in killing certain prey because, circumstance and survival dictate this change. As predators, they adapt to available prey. It's not so much a matter of taste as a matter of survival With respect to the Savuti pride, I propose the following theory. Could the above incident be the explaining catalyst for the present hunting methods of the Savuti pride? Perhaps the the elephant's death throes brought to the surface memories of ancient predatory behaviour. Alternatively, the elephant death could merely have become an opportunity for the pride to realize that they had the means to hunt elephant http://savute.botswana.co.za/elephant-killers-botswana.html ..One of the more memorable incidents was when an old bull Elephant had fallen and was unable to get up. Lions began feeding on its rear end amid panicked attempts at getting up from the old bull. It was a long time before the old bull died. Could this have stirred something in the Lions – a realization that they could control an adult Elephant? http://savute.botswana.co.za/elephant-killers-botswana.html .. It appears that the strategy is to weight the hindquarters heavily to ensure collapse of the elephant. I don't know much about the tendons in an elephant's hind limbs, but I presume that they are relatively weaker than cursorial ungulates, which have high recoil energy, and flexion of their limbs can enable escape from attacking lions. Perhaps the weaker tendons simply give in to the weight of over 500 kg of lion on their hindquarters. When the pachyderm goes down, the death takes some time, and they tear into the carcass at the armpit area. The carcass takes about 24 hours to complete. They were twice recorded in killing a successive elephan t 24 hours after the first. http://www.sawma.co.za/images/wildnews_2006_jan_a24.pdf |
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| Palaeogirl | Aug 14 2013, 11:20 PM Post #18 |
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The lions wouldn't hunt elephants if elephants had the weaponry and predatory nature of any large theropod. Tarbosaurus should win fairly easily. I see a very well fed dinosaur, and a few half eaten lions surrounded by 1/3 of the pride which is too terrified to attack. Tarbo wins 90% of the time. |
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| Jinfengopteryx | Aug 14 2013, 11:44 PM Post #19 |
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Not really, there are marine creatures which could exceed it's bite force. That however doesn't change your point. |
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| Vobby | Aug 15 2013, 12:26 AM Post #20 |
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I hardly doubt that these lions would just go and hunt a theropod this size if they ever see one, but after all I also doubt that a tarbosaurs would be very willing to attack 30 roaring creatures, moving damn fast in front of him. If for some reason they decide to fight, and keep fighting, I would back the lions. Being thirty means that they can tire the dinosaur before tiring up themselves, taking turns for attacking the legs (and the tail, who knows). Elephant legs are like pillars, I've read here that they're usually considered more stable than theropods. If an elephant can fall under the weight of these lions, tarbosaurus should fall too, I think. Of course some lions could die, but I dont' think they would be very numerous, since lions are much faster than this dino, they should be able to avoid its mouth, the same way they usually dodge rhino's and buffalo's charges, giraffe's kicks, elephant's tusks and feet and hippo's bites. |
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| Palaeogirl | Aug 6 2014, 06:06 PM Post #21 |
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In all honesty I doubt this would ever even escalate to a fight. I think the sheer size of the theropod would be enough to discourage the lions, and as soon as they can see how easily it can kill one of their own they'd be running. |
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| The All-seeing Night | Aug 16 2014, 04:23 PM Post #22 |
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I don't think the lions are given enough credit tbh.
Edited by The All-seeing Night, Aug 16 2014, 04:23 PM.
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| Ausar | Aug 16 2014, 09:03 PM Post #23 |
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Xi-miqa-can! Xi-miqa-can! Xi-miqa-can!
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Might not be a mismatch, but Tarbosaurus still wins.
Edited by Ausar, Aug 16 2014, 09:10 PM.
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| Taipan | Mar 8 2015, 08:34 PM Post #24 |
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Lions really dont exist in prides with 30 Adults, but try this! |
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| Sleipnir | Apr 1 2015, 09:15 AM Post #25 |
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Tarbosaurus wins because of the very limited success of the Savuti pride (they preyed on elephants of well... not very elephantine sizes) which I posted a surprising detailed observation of. |
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| Taipan | Jun 20 2016, 09:46 PM Post #26 |
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Try this! |
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| Carcharadon | Jun 21 2016, 03:05 AM Post #27 |
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Well, I had never seen evidence of the Savuti pride successfully killing a bull elephant, and that's not even relevant because that absolutely does not mean they would take out some large theropod as well, something that'd actually want to kill them in the first place. Tarbosaurus should walk this one. Edited by Carcharadon, Jun 21 2016, 03:09 AM.
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| Vivyx | Jun 21 2016, 03:08 AM Post #28 |
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Should I make a match-up in the Fantasy and Fictional Face-Offs featuring a Tarbosaurus or Tyrannosaurus and some more lions than 30? |
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| Drift | Jun 22 2016, 01:16 AM Post #29 |
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The size differential is too enormous here,There would need to be at least double the amount of felines to tire out/take down the theropod. |
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| buteo | Jun 22 2016, 06:19 AM Post #30 |
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30 lions would be enough to bring this dinosaur down but without any doubt so many lion would be dead, this would be a pyrrhic victory for lions this will be a massacre but with their number lions have a little chance Edited by buteo, Jun 22 2016, 06:20 AM.
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