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| Taipan | Oct 16 2012, 05:20 PM Post #1 |
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Savuti Pride - Panthera leo The Savuti Pride is a pride of lions numbering about 30 members famous for killing elephants. The lion (Panthera leo) is one of the four big cats in the genus Panthera, and a member of the family Felidae. With some males exceeding 250 kg (550 lb) in weight, it is the second-largest living cat after the tiger. Wild lions currently exist in Sub-Saharan Africa and in Asia with an endangered remnant population in Gir Forest National Park in India, having disappeared from North Africa and Southwest Asia in historic times. Until the late Pleistocene, about 10,000 years ago, the lion was the most widespread large land mammal after humans. They were found in most of Africa, across Eurasia from western Europe to India, and in the Americas from the Yukon to Peru. The lion is a vulnerable species, having seen a possibly irreversible population decline of thirty to fifty percent over the past two decades in its African range. The African lion is a very large cat, with males weighing between 330 and 550 pounds and females weighing between 260 and 400 pounds. It is 8 to 10 feet long, not including the tail. Its most famous feature is its mane, which only male lions have. The mane is a yellow color when the lion is young and darkens with age. Eventually, the mane will be dark brown. The body of the African lion is well suited for hunting. It is very muscular, with back legs designed for pouncing and front legs made for grabbing and knocking down prey. It also has very strong jaws that enable it to eat the large prey that it hunts. ![]() Tarbosaurus bataar Tarbosaurus belongs in the subfamily Tyrannosaurinae within the family Tyrannosauridae, along with the earlier Daspletosaurus, the more recent Tyrannosaurus and possibly Alioramus. Animals in this subfamily are more closely related to Tyrannosaurus than to Albertosaurus and are known for their robust build with proportionally larger skulls and longer femurs than in the other subfamily, the Albertosaurinae. Although many specimens of this genus have been found, little definite data was confirmed on the dinosaur as of 1986, though it was presumed to share many characteristics with other tyrannosaurids. The close similarities have prompted some scientists to suggest a possible link between the North American and Eurasian continents at that time, perhaps in the form of a land bridge. As with most dinosaurs, Tarbosaurus size estimates have varied through recent years. It could have been 10 meters long, with a weight of 4 to 5 tons ![]() __________________________________________________________________________-
Edited by Ceratodromeus, Jun 25 2016, 01:05 PM.
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| Nergigante | Jun 23 2016, 04:45 PM Post #31 |
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IMO the Tarbosaurus would get overwhelmed when the lions attack in different position of its body, but many would die(like 15 or 20) until enought lions can grip the head and some manages to do throat bites which would suffocate the Tarbosaurus when it lowers its head. Edited by Nergigante, Jun 23 2016, 04:46 PM.
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| Ausar | Jun 25 2016, 12:08 PM Post #32 |
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Xi-miqa-can! Xi-miqa-can! Xi-miqa-can!
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Trying to "grip the head" of an animal that is WAY bigger than you with a ~122 centimeter long skull that looks like this is a terrible, terrible idea. There can only be so many lions trying to "grip the head" of Tarbosaurus at a time because there's obviously a limited amount of surface area to attack. I don't really imagine too many lions being able to do this at a time, hence those few that are audacious (or foolish) enough to take this approach are in for a nasty surprise. I think the Tarbosaurus might win here. I believe it would be more difficult to take down than an elephant simply due to being able to bring its assets to bear easier. An elephant's primary and most dangerous weapons are its tusks. It needs to drive the very tips thereof home if it wants to gore and kill a lion. This needs some degree of precision, and against smaller, fast and agile lions, that may be a problem. Given the way Tarbosaurus' main weapons (its jaws) are used (grabbing something), as well as the sheer size of the jaws and gape (giving them smashing purchase and reach against the lions), I don't think the dinosaur would have the same problem. Also, Tarbosaurus' sigmoidal (read: facilitating in fast striking) neck is also (proportionately, if not absolutely) much longer and more flexible than an elephant's, allowing it to bring its head to bear far more easily than the proboscidean can. Comparing the appendicular anatomy of the two giants also reinforces my main idea. Elephants' columnar, graviportal legs aren't exactly the best for providing maneuverability and rapid acceleration. Tarbosaurus' flexed limb anatomy and enormous leg muscles will allow it to accelerate faster as it attempts to catch a lion. Note that what I said above also applies to other weapons these two giant animals may have (trunk slapping in the case of the elephant and kicking in the case of both; maybe even tail slapping in the case of the tyrannosaur??) Edited by Ausar, Feb 11 2017, 12:33 PM.
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| Carcharadon | Jun 25 2016, 12:14 PM Post #33 |
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^ What he said. Attacking the head regions is basically suicidal for the lions. And Tarbosaurus can just stomp them to death as well, it doesn't just have its bite. |
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| Ceratodromeus | Oct 31 2016, 08:43 AM Post #34 |
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Try this first. |
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| Black Panther | Oct 31 2016, 09:05 AM Post #35 |
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Could the tarbo use its tail as an effective weapon? And if it does, how much damage would it do? |
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| Ceratodromeus | Oct 31 2016, 10:54 AM Post #36 |
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probably wouldn't be overly useful nor practical against animals so much smaller than itself |
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| LionClaws | Oct 31 2016, 12:57 PM Post #37 |
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The Lions have never met a predator of this size, and are apt to underestimate it. I'm thinking tarbo takes this. |
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| Carnotaur | Nov 1 2016, 01:17 AM Post #38 |
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I think Tarbosaurus wins.Like LionClaws said,the pride would probably underestimate it,since the largest prey they usually hunt today(cow/sub-adult elephants) are around the same size range as Tarbosaurus,but their weaponry(tusks and trunk) can't be used effectively against the cats,and are graviportal,pretty much the contrary we see in the tyrannosaur:a predator with huge jaws and teeth that can easily dispatch even the largest of the Lions and cursorial adaptations(such as the arctometatarsal). Add to that the fact that tyrannosaur dinosaurs likely could do extremely large steps and had extremely large femoral musculature(togheter with the well developed m.caudofemoralis,that helps pulling the leg) and you have a predator that is very capable of catching the Lions and killing them without problems. Edited by Carnotaur, Nov 1 2016, 01:18 AM.
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| Mammuthus | Nov 1 2016, 02:10 AM Post #39 |
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Maybe the Lions could tire the Dino out by dodging all of its attacks, or would such a thing not work? Edited by Mammuthus, Nov 1 2016, 02:11 AM.
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| Carnotaur | Nov 1 2016, 02:27 AM Post #40 |
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I don't think so,considering that theropods likely had very good stamina and cursorial adaptations that would make the task of getting the cats much easier than modern multi-ton herbivores would do. |
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| Mammuthus | Nov 1 2016, 04:06 AM Post #41 |
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^ Ok, in that case i'd back the Theropod |
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| LionClaws | Nov 2 2016, 07:39 AM Post #42 |
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Tyrannosaurs appear to have been cursorial predators. It might be the one tiring out the lions. |
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| Lightning | Mar 28 2018, 11:42 PM Post #43 |
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A lot of the lions would be subadults and cubs. The tarbosaurus should win. I'm assuming that the dinosaur would have an easier time catching a lion than elephants and buffalos do. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Edited by Lightning, Mar 28 2018, 11:46 PM.
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