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| Sooo, dinosaurs have officially turned into birds | |
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| Godzillasaurus | Nov 3 2012, 08:13 AM Post #1 |
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Not in the evolutionary sense, but in the sarcastic sense. Dinosaurs used to be large, scaly, beasts. Now, everyone thinks they all (yes, including sauropods) had feathers. If there have been countless dinosaur skin-impressions, and only a couple feathered non-ceoulosaur theropods, I guess that just puts feathers on every dinosaur, even when the evidence states otherwise. Anyone else bothered by this?
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| Jinfengopteryx | Oct 17 2013, 06:07 AM Post #61 |
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Thank you! I am not Spino, but I have found this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2842671/?report=classic |
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| theropod | Oct 18 2013, 06:20 AM Post #62 |
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Hmm, as already pointed out stage 1 feathers (spinos so-called "quills") are not branching structures either (if we follow him, so extremely different they don't even deserve the name "feathers"), and evidently precursors of more derived feathers because we can find both in the same clades of coelurosauria. We are also (hopefully, by now) all aware how morphology of the filament varies extensively in related groups and homologous structures of the integument, so I think that's not a valid argument (neither is that pterosaurs may not have been closely related to dinosaurs, because the general opinion is that they are and at any rate even non-ornithodiran archosaurs show evidence for having once posessed feathers). Since these filaments are described as protofeathers and apparently similar to stage one feathers in dinosaurs, and it can not be concluded they are not homologous from the material we have, it should be assumed that they are. All the evidence is pointing towards this. More and more archosaurs are being found to have had filaments. And frankly, it's not evidence for them being homologous that has to be shown, this should be our default assumption. Everything suggesting a more complicated path of evolution is what has to be supported first. Edited by theropod, Oct 18 2013, 06:24 AM.
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| thesporerex | Oct 18 2013, 04:37 PM Post #63 |
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Its the other way round, Birds have turned into Dinosaurs. |
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| Mesopredator | Feb 5 2015, 02:31 AM Post #64 |
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Disaster taxa
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Hope this isn't too off-topic. I wonder why birds haven't evolved or so little in dinosaur-like-morphs. Galliformes remind me the most of dinosaurs alongside ratites and a few specific species. Except for the moa's, New Zealands ground birds evolved into something totally different. Of course there are different ancestors at play. And I guess it is a matter of chance, and another kind of selection. Though I must add, Australian pleistocene fauna had some dinosaur-like birds. Terror birds were dinosaur-like aswell. By the looks of it, beaks are a better adaption. Maybe we'll see parrot type beaks on pheasant like birds someday, who browse on vegetation, nuts, seeds and invertebrates. Edited by Mesopredator, Feb 6 2015, 01:45 AM.
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| J3st3r56 | Feb 17 2015, 08:01 PM Post #65 |
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Honestly, I'm goddamn sick of all these bloody children crying about how dinosaurs "arent cool anymore" or "they look silly" or "they make drawings look weird". I'm 15 and I act more maturely than alot of people on the internet. Its the same kind of people who want dinosaurs to bend to their will. "Spinosaurus wasn't quadropedal!", "Spinosaurus could kick t-rex's butt!", "Dinosaurs didn't have feathers!". It really just makes me tired it does. Sorry for ranting, I know it should gone on my blog or something, but that's just how i feel. |
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| maker | Feb 17 2015, 08:10 PM Post #66 |
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So you are bothered by discoveries of small dinosaurs without scales and with feathers, which are majority? Ridiculous. Edited by maker, Feb 17 2015, 08:10 PM.
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| Mesopredator | Feb 17 2015, 09:41 PM Post #67 |
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It is okay. Besides, the first post was a rant too. Clearly, what you describe is psychological. Maybe it conflicts with peoples personal identity or whatever. I think dinosaur popular culture is partly to blame for the aversion towards changes in the dinosaurs. I personally think dinosaurs are cooler than ever. The feathers, the differences in age, etc. They are starting to become more diverse. Edited by Mesopredator, Feb 17 2015, 09:41 PM.
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| Moreno | Feb 17 2015, 11:54 PM Post #68 |
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Me personally, I was at first against it, but the truth is the truth and you can't argue against it. The idea was jarring to me at first, thinking dinosaurs were always scaly having grew up on Jurassic Park. But it grew on me. I think a tyrannorsaurus rex like this would be scary/awesome to see in person. (Not sure if it's 100% accurate)![]() I'd say it adds more diversity to dinosaurs, like a mane of feathers on a Tyrannosaurus Rex, or a utahraptor covered in feathers. Look at eagles, powerful creatures able to take on much larger animals and are pretty intimidating. Dinosaurs eventually evolving to birds shouldn't be a bad thing. Doesn't mean their big giant chickens, Their just different then what we thought they were all along and adds a lot more to discuss about and becoming more complex then the stereotype of the slow mainly scaly lethargic animals of old. Just my take on it. |
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| Cape Leopard | Feb 18 2015, 01:05 AM Post #69 |
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I find it kinda amusing when people denigrate feathered dinosaurs as "giant chickens" ... as it happens, chickens are actually pretty tough birds and they are very versatile in what they can eat. They kill and eat small animals such as mice and lizards as well as seeds/plants. |
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| Mesopredator | Feb 18 2015, 01:37 AM Post #70 |
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Our chickens would run after mice and kill them. But when I removed very young rats from their coop they were afraid. My pheasant used his beak and feet to kill them when I threw them out of the coop, but did not eat them. I think it some sort of brand loyality that makes people dislike the feathered dinosaurs. And birds being less cool. But birds are cool. Edited by Mesopredator, Feb 18 2015, 01:38 AM.
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| Spartan | Feb 18 2015, 01:47 AM Post #71 |
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To be honest, most Dinosaurs just look way cooler without feathers. Birds of prey on the other side look preety awesome. |
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| spinosaurus rex | Feb 18 2015, 01:55 AM Post #72 |
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hte problemis imo is the overall outlook of feathered dinosaurs in movie depictions. i'm sorry, but the general public would not be pleased with seeing a giant chicken or oversize emerald lizard in a movie about dinosaurs. the truth should be stretched out a bit just to catch the audience attention, as movie films would never be 100% accurate or satisfy the scientific community. i think documentaries should be given the job of presenting proper data on prehistoric life. thus it is why i think a PROPER remake of walking with dinosaurs is the best bet. if you want to make an actual good cinema movie about feathered dinosaurs, instead of using this![]() or this ![]() how about this ![]() ![]() ![]() ( this is yutyrannus btw) make the feathered dinosaurs ferocious and threatening. not bright and flamboyant. give a threatening and predatory drive to the creatures while at the same time, have it make sense. this is what Jurassic park has done and it turned into an movie classic even to this day, where every dinosaur in the film is considered inaccurate. it is like this because the animals were true attention grabbers, and have successfully reeled in the public's attention in what dinosaurs were like at the time. we need a new, modern film that can do the same. deliver a revolutionary outlook on non- avian dinosaurs in this time period. Edited by spinosaurus rex, Feb 18 2015, 01:58 AM.
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| Mesopredator | Feb 18 2015, 02:06 AM Post #73 |
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I do agree that sometimes the feathers can look worse, for example:![]() I do not like this one, but this one I do: ![]() Oh and I fully agree we need another dinosaur "revolution". And if it is scientific accurate, it is what it is. Edited by Mesopredator, Feb 18 2015, 02:08 AM.
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| Moreno | Feb 18 2015, 03:47 AM Post #74 |
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I remember seeing the trailer for that movie and I'm like that's odd. Would a predator even be that bright? That picture you posted spino is the direction I would go in. Making a large Theropod with a lot of colors and Turkey jowls isn't the way to go IMO. Or you could make the coat rather "short haired" and,like this to please both world's, not too much coating and with the scales ![]() Or still covered but a short coat. ![]() |
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| Tyrant | Feb 18 2015, 03:58 AM Post #75 |
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I don't get why some people are convinced that large theropods like tyrannosaurus would be brightly colored. Sure a lot of birds have bright plumages but last I checked not many predatory ones do. Even then, the birds usually have the advantage pf flight so even if they are blue or red they could still ambush effectively ambush prey. |
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