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| Sooo, dinosaurs have officially turned into birds | |
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| Godzillasaurus | Nov 3 2012, 08:13 AM Post #1 |
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Not in the evolutionary sense, but in the sarcastic sense. Dinosaurs used to be large, scaly, beasts. Now, everyone thinks they all (yes, including sauropods) had feathers. If there have been countless dinosaur skin-impressions, and only a couple feathered non-ceoulosaur theropods, I guess that just puts feathers on every dinosaur, even when the evidence states otherwise. Anyone else bothered by this?
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| DinosaurFan95 | Mar 23 2015, 06:05 AM Post #106 |
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We really have no proof that theropods werent endurance runners. |
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| Darker | Apr 26 2015, 01:55 PM Post #107 |
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It doesn't change them that much. Dinosaurs had to be depicted correctly at some point. It has always bothered me how they changed T-Rex from standing up like a boss to being all humpback and looking down hunting very small creatures. Feathers make them kinda cute. |
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| DinosaurFan95 | Apr 30 2015, 12:28 PM Post #108 |
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You are right, being the ancestors of birds does not change dinosaurs that much. And I find feathers make them look fugly, but that's just my opinion. |
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| maker | Apr 30 2015, 03:15 PM Post #109 |
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This thread is basically this:![]() By the way, Allosaurusatrox, do you think feathers in non-avian maniraptorans look ugly? Edited by maker, Apr 30 2015, 03:17 PM.
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| DinosaurFan95 | Apr 30 2015, 04:42 PM Post #110 |
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Yes, I said that already.
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| theropod | Apr 30 2015, 07:28 PM Post #111 |
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these are what's truly ugly:![]() ![]() they look like plucked birds with a lizard's head and severe forelimb muscle dystrophy. This is also ugly, I can admit that, but that has nothing to do with having too many feathers (rather with the bald patches and the ugly facial tissue): this on the other hand looks fine: ![]() Of course that's entirely irrelevant, but as a general rule it's inaccurate portrayals, like a featherless Velociraptor, that look ugly. The animal's real looks might not meet everyone's tastes, but they areshaped by certain principles that also led to our own perception of things (hence why most wild animals are actually rather pleasant sights), resulting in better esthetics than just having someone start doodling a mythical animal. |
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| Darker | Apr 30 2015, 09:51 PM Post #112 |
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We can never be sure if they had as much feathers as most birds, because they mostly didn't need them. I personally think they had only a few feathers around the head and neck and probably some in the back. Very little amount on the arms. |
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| DarkGricer | Apr 30 2015, 11:07 PM Post #113 |
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Actually, we can be sure. Not about all dinosaurs, sure, but for some, we can. Dinosaurs like Sinornithosaurus and Yutyrannus where mostly covered in feathers. We know this because of the imprints left around their fossils. |
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| Spartan | Apr 30 2015, 11:25 PM Post #114 |
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For most people it's not about ugliness, but rather coolness (the Xenomorph is also pretty ugly, but at the same time freakin' awesome) and non feathered Dinosaurs just look cooler. Not that this would change anything about the facts, though. |
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| DarkGricer | Apr 30 2015, 11:34 PM Post #115 |
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Which is actually kind of funny, seeing as I could think of a feather design that would look a lot cooler then a scaly one. Heck, you could make a Xenomorph look cooler with feathers! The problem people have is that when they think of putting feathers on dinosaurs they basically think about dinosaurs doing a cosplay of a Chicken. Just a bit of creativity, and feathered beasts can look intimidating as shiet! |
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| theropod | May 1 2015, 03:57 AM Post #116 |
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Why is it that every time this subject is discussed someone mentiones aliens? Are you also suggesting that it would be cooler if Velociraptor had an insect-like metamorphosis with one stage developing inside another animal and then bursing out of its chest? It has absolutely nothing to do with this whole thing, it is a fictional, extaterrestrial species (yes, a very well-designed one, nevertheless still fictional, and clearly not in the slightest way similar to dinosaurs) with completely different physiology. Coolness cannot be objectively measured (even those members most adverse to feathered dinosaurs will admit that). To me, a properly (that means, like a bird, not in some scarce alibi-fashion that puts a few patches on the neck, arms and back) dromaeosaur looks ten times cooler than a scaly one ever could. It simply accurately reflects the animal’s biology, it’s whole anatomy and metabolism is that of a predatory bird, not a lizard like it is imagined in JP, and if you take that away that does not make it cool as all, just like taking away its legs wouldn’t be cool. And why the mistaken generalization that if one thing looks cooler without feathers, all animals look cooler without them? That’s just plain ridiculous, nobody would seriously suggest that a hawk would look anything except uglier and ridiculous if you plucked it. The same applies to a lion and it’s fur. The list goes on and on… An animal that was feathered in life does not get cooler if you remove the feathers, they are a part of that animal. Just like a non-feathered animal (such as a xenomorph) would look ridiculous with feathers, a feathered one would look ridiculous without them. And that’s actually why featherless coelurosaurs look so laughable, in a bad sense. People need to get over the inaccurate ideas planted in their heads during their childhood and start appreciating the facts. If the entire scientific community managed to do it, why can’t you guys? @darker: Oh yes, we can. We’ve got more than enough fossils of feathered theropods that proof without a doubt that almost their entire bodies, and especially the arms, were feathered. By no means did they have "only a few feathers around the head and neck and probably some in the back", and that is not down to personal taste or opinion, it’s a fact. And yes, they did need them. For display purposes, insulation, maneuvering and/or flight, just as much as birds do. |
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| DinosaurFan95 | May 1 2015, 04:03 AM Post #117 |
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It's just a matter of personal "taste", and I would appreciate that you respect that. I like "bald" theropods, you like feathered ones, it dosnt mean we have to fight over it.
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| Ceratodromeus | May 1 2015, 05:21 AM Post #118 |
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How many times do i have to tell you your opinion/ personal tastes mean nothing in scientific discussion? Theropod isn't trying to 'fight' with you, he's trying to have a discussion...you know, because that's the type of forum we're on! Edited by Ceratodromeus, May 1 2015, 05:22 AM.
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| thesporerex | May 1 2015, 08:53 AM Post #119 |
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I love feathers on dinosaurs more than scaled ones, but seriously, you cannot deny that the Raptors in the new Jurassic World trailer look cool. Thats not saying I wouldn't rather have feathered dinosaurs. But they still look cool. |
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| Spartan | May 1 2015, 10:45 AM Post #120 |
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Coolness is as subjective as beauty. Of course it differs from individual to individual, but there are clear trends. Yes, some birds look pretty badass, but I've yet to see a big theropod that looks cooler with feathers than with scales (but maybe paleoartists just haven't done a good job on this so far?). |
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