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Do you believe animals are equal to humans?
Topic Started: Dec 10 2012, 11:41 AM (15,913 Views)
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Dec 13 2012, 10:51 AM
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Dec 13 2012, 08:39 AM
I personally favour the life of other species over humans, simply because we outnumber nearly every other species by a gigantic margin. I think that Homo sapiens going extinct would actually be extremely good for the world as a whole, and would kill us off knowing that it would permit life to go on uninterrupted. I do know how unlikely that is though. Once we seriously start damaging the environment on a global scale, we need to go. We are equal, though. I won't say that non-humans are better, nothing is better, but I feel as though Earth would be better off without us.
There are creatures in this world that outnumber humans by a HUGE margin. So not "nearly every other species". More like just plain old some.

And do any of these engage in deliberate campaigns of extermination against other species? Do they set out to deliberately destroy the biosphere?


Some do kill a lot of humans, ie: mosquitoes.

But not deliberately and with malice aforethought.[/quote][/quote]True. Anyways, if you feel this world would be better off without humans (I sort of feel so too), I respect it.
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The world will wipe us away when the time comes, we have done next to nothing to the earth... I think humans are only doing what is natural, being as successful as possible, which is the goal of any species. I do believe we have risen to a level of sentience where we should respect highly intelligent creatures, but even if we drive them all to extinction it will be but a tiny blemish in earth's history.
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Dec 13 2012, 11:20 AM
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The world will wipe us away when the time comes, we have done next to nothing to the earth... I think humans are only doing what is natural, being as successful as possible, which is the goal of any species. I do believe we have risen to a level of sentience where we should respect highly intelligent creatures, but even if we drive them all to extinction it will be but a tiny blemish in earth's history.

Lemme correct that for you:The world will wipe us away when the time comes, we have done next to nothing for the earth... I do believe we have risen to a level of sentience where we should respect highly intelligent creatures, but even if we drive them all to extinction it will be but a tiny blemish in earth's history.Like a razor slash across the face of the Mona Lisa. Or a fire in the british library.
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looks like tyrant has something to say..................I wanna hear it
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The world will wipe us away when the time comes, we have done next to nothing to the earth...


So pumping the atmosphere full of pollution and toxin, destroying ecosystems, and wiping out hundreds if not thousands of species of animals is nothing?

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I think humans are only doing what is natural, being as successful as possible, which is the goal of any species.


Rape and murder is also a natural behavior displayed in apes, I guess doing that is okay too.

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I do believe we have risen to a level of sentience where we should respect highly intelligent creatures, but even if we drive them all to extinction it will be but a tiny blemish in earth's history.


The same goes for humans. Its foolish to believe that humans are actually a significant part of this planets history.

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The earth was fine before humans and it will be fine long after we're dead and gone. Believe me, earth has been through WAY more damage than humans could ever cause and recovered. Life will go on, just not for us.
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The earth was fine before humans and it will be fine long after we're dead and gone.


Their is no absolute certainty in that, ever heard of a nuke before?

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Believe me, earth has been through WAY more damage than humans could ever cause and recovered.


It doesn't excuse the fact were doing a needless amount of damage to the planet.

From a non religious point of view, I still don't see why humans should be considered to be of greater value than any other animal on this planet. Sure we humans are empathetic creatures and have feelings but so do dolphins, elephants, corvirds, and other apes. Not to mention our existence benefits less than one percent of the animals living here, a direct contrast to the fishes and invertebrates that we deem lower than us. From a moral point of view I can easily see why one considers the death of a man/woman to be infinity more tragic than the death of a fly, but I quite frankly believe that the common house fly is a more important species of animals than us since they actually are needed for the survival of many creatures/plants here.

Now here is an interesting question for all you people that believe we are inherently superior to the animals on this planet. If other highly intelligent hominids like neanderthals still lived, would you consider homo saipens to be of higher value?
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Our mega weapons are adorable when compared to super volcanoes, asteroids and other natural disasters. As I said before, earth has been through much, much worse than humans and life found a way.

I'd naturally consider my own kind to be of higher value. Whether or not we benefit the planet is irrelevant really.
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Our mega weapons are adorable when compared to super volcanoes, asteroids and other natural disasters. As I said before, earth has been through much, much worse than humans and life found a way.


Three hundred years ago people fought with gun powder and muskets, imagine what kind of destructive weapons can be possibly developed in another three hundred years.

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I'd naturally consider my own kind to be of higher value. Whether or not be benefit the planet is irrelevant really.


It is to me. Earth has already proved that sentience is not unique to humans and so I see no reasons why we should deem ourselves better than everything else when we have committed so many atrocities.
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Dec 13 2012, 12:33 PM
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The earth was fine before humans and it will be fine long after we're dead and gone.


Their is no absolute certainty in that, ever heard of a nuke before?

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Believe me, earth has been through WAY more damage than humans could ever cause and recovered.


It doesn't excuse the fact were doing a needless amount of damage to the planet.

From a non religious point of view, I still don't see why humans should be considered to be of greater value than any other animal on this planet. Sure we humans are empathetic creatures and have feelings but so do dolphins, elephants, corvirds, and other apes. Not to mention our existence benefits less than one percent of the animals living here, a direct contrast to the fishes and invertebrates that we deem lower than us. From a moral point of view I can easily see why one considers the death of a man/woman to be infinity more tragic than the death of a fly, but I quite frankly believe that the common house fly is a more important species of animals than us since they actually are needed for the survival of many creatures/plants here.

Now here is an interesting question for all you people that believe we are inherently superior to the animals on this planet. If other highly intelligent hominids like neanderthals still lived, would you consider homo saipens to be of higher value?
Ever heard of the Thea Impact, you know...the one that released enough energy to turn the entire surface of the planet into pure magma? Or Chicxulub? The one that released 100 Teratons of explosive energy? More than 2 million times more powerful that the largest nuclear weapon ever? Earth handled that just fine.

I would consider a neanderthal equal to us, actually it is likely that if a Neanderthal baby were raised in modern times, it would turn out just like us.
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Ever heard of the Thea Impact, you know...the one that released enough energy to turn the entire surface of the planet into pure magma? Or Chicxulub? The one that released 100 Teratons of explosive energy? More than 2 million times more powerful that the largest nuclear weapon ever? Earth handled that just fine.


Yeah it was fine because when the collision happened there was pretty much no life on it at all. If a nuclear war does breaks out and kills all life on Earth but the planets still intact, I would still consider the planet to be dead.

You have still yet to explain why you believe humans are>than dolphins, elephants, and other animals that have emotions by the way.
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Unless those weapons can literally split the earth in half or vaporize all of its oceans, once again, the earth will be okay. I think it's amusing when people mention the damage humans cause the earth. Oh, let's save the earth and the animals! Yeah, and we're not supposed to think we're not superior to other creatures. Okay, man.
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Unless those weapons can literally split the earth in half or vaporize all of its oceans, once again, the earth will be okay.


If earth is subjected to a global nuclear war and is reduced to a radioactive pile of rubble I highly doubt life will continue to exist on earth and if does start to gradually recover its unlikely it would be able to produce any multi celluar organisms before the sun dies out.

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I think it's amusing when people mention the damage humans cause the earth. Oh, let's save the earth and the animals! Yeah, and we're not supposed to think we're not superior to other creatures. Okay, man.


If that's your criteria of superiority I guess Stalin, Hitler, and all those other powerful sadistic dictators that existed in the past were of higher value than everyday people like me and you since theoretically they could have helped millions of people.
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Dec 13 2012, 01:27 PM
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Unless those weapons can literally split the earth in half or vaporize all of its oceans, once again, the earth will be okay.


If earth is subjected to a global nuclear war and is reduced to a radioactive pile of rubble I highly doubt life will continue to exist on earth and if does start to gradually recover its unlikely it would be able to produce any multi celluar organisms before the sun dies out.

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I think it's amusing when people mention the damage humans cause the earth. Oh, let's save the earth and the animals! Yeah, and we're not supposed to think we're not superior to other creatures. Okay, man.


If that's your criteria of superiority I guess Stalin, Hitler, and all those other powerful sadistic dictators that existed in the past were of higher value than everyday people like me and you since theoretically they could have helped millions of people.
No amount of nuclear war could exterminate all life on earth....not even close. And the Chicxulub impact happened at the end of the Cretaceous, there were tons of animals around then...

Humans are better than animals because we are smarter and more sentient, thus our lives are worth more. Also humans should obviously support their own species above any other.

In the grand scheme of things Stalin and others were more important, but they used their status to do horrible things, just as some dolphins murder and torture other dolphins... Morally and spiritually we humans are generally disgusted at such acts of violence, but from a natural standpoint they really aren't that shocking.
Edited by Fragillimus335, Dec 13 2012, 01:44 PM.
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