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Do you believe animals are equal to humans?
Topic Started: Dec 10 2012, 11:41 AM (15,911 Views)
Black Ice
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Dec 14 2012, 10:47 AM
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Dec 14 2012, 03:13 AM
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Dec 14 2012, 02:23 AM
cidermaster
Dec 13 2012, 11:44 PM
Humans cannot be that clever,afterall we invented the virus Religion and just look at the trouble,death,abuse and misery that has spread through the ages.

Anyway we all have a life cycle,and all humans die just like all animals.
Religion is clever though. Before the information age it controlled majority of the western masses very effectively. It was so effective it helped control populations who never even heard of the "god" they were being told about.
:huh: There's nothing good about Religion, especially when you put it in that context.
There are some benefits to religion. Even as a non-believer I can admit to that, however throughout human history there's always that dark side modern followers refuse to address. I had a friend who's black and decided he didn't want to follow Christianity for the fact that it was faith forced upon his enslaved ancestors. It took a minute for me to understand what he was talking about but when it clicked he was damn sure right. It's not like his west africian ancestors (I'm guessing since that's where majority of blacks in America are from) even knew what the hell Christianity was. That's what I'm referring to when I say religion is a clever aspect of human society.
IMO christianity I follow this,

I'd rather live believing in a god, then die finding out there isn't, over living and not believing in god......only to die and find out there is one.

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I agree with Icestorm this thread is truly disturbing morally and mentally. All I cna say is we all agree to treat humans with respect and we all agree to treat animals with respect, to what extent or degree we choose to do so is totally up to you, how on earth did this even come to a heated religion vs atheism arguement, and disputes over wiping out the human species? It was a simple question
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Black Ice
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I'm saying^ people need to chill out and go masturbate or watch t.v. Or play a violent video game or something to calm them down.
Edited by Black Ice, Dec 14 2012, 01:16 PM.
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Black Ice
Dec 14 2012, 01:11 PM
I'm saying^ people need to chill out and go masturbate or watch t.v. Or play a violent video game or something to calm them down.
Chill out & masturbate lol lol
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Dec 14 2012, 02:09 AM
Talking about it isn't going to change anything. The only thing you lot will do is voice your opinion on the matter and continue to enjoy the benefits of modern society. Honestly, that's why I cannot take people with those views seriously. 9 times out of 10 they're not doing a damn thing but preaching from a soap box. Tell me, what have you've done to save the earth, help animals? Don't tell me you've donated money to some organization. Vast majority of them are scams.
Well i donate to http://www.panthera.org/programs/tiger/save-tiger-fund, i try to cycle or walk then rather use my car, i have energy/water saving devices in my home, i recycle as much as i can and try to get most of my house hold goods from reliable environmentally safe sources.
And ive helped replant trees to make new forests.

These may only be small things on a world scale, but this little things mount up if more people tried to help the environment.
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Are animals equal to humans? Well, does a bear shit in the woods?

Ask yourselves this:

- Have you ever seen bears firebombing cities to make more forest?
- Have you ever seen a cat throwing a helpless man out of his car, killing him?
- Have you ever seen any kind of bird throwing stones at an abandoned human baby?

You get the idea. I believe that all animals are spiritually equal. (NOTE: I believe in an afterlife. Atheists, please do not shoot me for saying this, but) I believe all animals go to some kind of afterlife, and I believe that animals are incapable of doing evil simply as their only goals in life are survival and reproduction.

Now, some people are going to say to me, "Hey, LOTA, you go to Burger King and Domino's Pizza. You're eating animals there." Yes, I am. Humans, as animals, need to be sustained. Livestock are wonderful and beautiful animals, but my love of all animals is not going to change the fact that humans need protein in their diet. I can't advocate for animals very well if I'm not getting any protein in my body, can I? I'm allergic to most alternatives to meat (soy etc.) so meat is really the only source of protein in my diet.
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Dec 14 2012, 04:51 PM
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What is the root of this massive gap between humans and animals? Surely not intellect, as many cetaceans come exceedingly close to humans? Technology? Primates and birds can use tools as well. The fact that we have the means to destroy our planet does not make us superior to animals. It would be like if two men were facing one another. One has a sharp stick and the other an SPAS-12. Is the man with the shotgun in a technological advantage? Yes, obviously. But does that make him morally or spiritually superior? By your standards, yes it does. Emotions? I'm not going to go into this, but most mammals, and almost certainly most other animals as well, are known to feel emotions in the same way we do. Communication? We barely understand the extent of the ability of cetaceans' "languages", let alone the meaning of the sounds. So please tell me, where the heck does this massive disparity come from?
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Dec 14 2012, 11:43 PM
So please tell me, where the heck does this massive disparity come from?
That disparity only exists in religion actually...
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Dec 14 2012, 11:43 PM
What is the root of this massive gap between humans and animals? Surely not intellect, as many cetaceans come exceedingly close to humans?

Oh, rly? I am sure you have evidence for this assertion. Specifically I would like to see a dolphin learning calculus.

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Technology? Primates and birds can use tools as well.

Definitely not even close to the extent humans can. Further their causal reasoning is limited compared to humans, in the case of apes failing the transfer from the traptube to the table, and in the case of corvids and chimps failing pulling tasks without visual feedback. Both problems are solved by humans.

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Communication? We barely understand the extent of the ability of cetaceans' "languages", let alone the meaning of the sounds.


I am not up to speed on whale songs. How many different 'words' are there? How many 'words' are stringed together typically?
Edited by coherentsheaf, Dec 15 2012, 12:30 AM.
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Dec 14 2012, 11:12 AM
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Dec 14 2012, 05:04 AM
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I'd naturally consider my own kind to be of higher value. Whether or not we benefit the planet is irrelevant really.

Only to a callous speciesist totally devoid of compassion. And WE'RE supposed to be the monsters here.
If you truly think we are completely equal to animals, being a speciesist is the ONLY way to live, if we truly are as lowly as animals, we should never give two shits about if we are "outcompeting" another species! Do you understand?

Given that "we" DON'T "give two shits about if we are "outcompeting" another species!" I most certainly do not understand. And what's with the "lowly as animals" bollocksology?
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I'm not trying to disturb anyone. I apologize if I did.
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Talking about it isn't going to change anything. The only thing you lot will do is voice your opinion on the matter and continue to enjoy the benefits of modern society. Honestly, that's why I cannot take people with those views seriously. 9 times out of 10 they're not doing a damn thing but preaching from a soap box. Tell me, what have you've done to save the earth, help animals? Don't tell me you've donated money to some organization. Vast majority of them are scams.


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Thanks to modern society, people can afford to care for mother earth and her creatures....all the while replying to this thread on a gadget encased in plastic a.k.a oil. Can't take 'em seriously, I'm sorry!


And what have you done for humanity? Donated a couple of coins to a homeless person who will most likely use that money to buy him/herself liquor? I suppose that since you do not make a major contribution to help those in need and don't spend most of your life fretting for the health of others means that you don't care about the homeless or the less fortunate and that your opinion is worthless eh?

If I were as wealthy as a lawyer or a brain surgeon I would donate at least twenty percent of my income to animals that are endangered. unfortunately I can't so I help as much as possible such as the time where I cradled a baby snake in my hand for half an hour when I found it on the middle of the side walk and brought into the nature center, wishing it good luck after taking a shit on me.
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Actually I make donations to my local half way house all the time. Sometimes its money, but it's usually clothes, food and furniture because it goes directly to the people. Food more than anything else though. At my place of employment we prefer to give away the excess food when the day is done rather than toss it away. My town is pretty small (a population of 50k people.) Of course this wouldn't be possible if I worked at large franchise or something because people would get fired for giving away food. Giving money to homeless people is seldom a good idea (I can spot an abuser from a mile away.) But if someone needs a dollar I'll usually give it to them because its just a dollar. And here's the kicker, I'm not "wealthy" and I can still do all these things.
Edited by Vita, Dec 16 2012, 10:48 AM.
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Actually I make donations to my local half way house all the time. Sometimes its money, but it's usually clothes, food and furniture because it goes directly to the people. Food more than anything else though. At my place of employment we prefer to give away the excess food when the day is done rather than toss it away. My town is pretty small (a population of 50k people.) Of course this wouldn't be possible if I worked at large franchise or something because people would get fired for giving away food. Giving money to homeless people is seldom a good idea (I can spot an abuser from a mile away.) But if someone needs a dollar I'll usually give it to them because its just a dollar. And here's the kicker, I'm not "wealthy" and I can still do all these things.


Hmm, apologies Vita I shouldn't have had such a knee jerk reaction, I didn't know you did such things and due to my easily irritable nature I quickly jumped to assumptions.

However you must admit helping animals is a lot more difficult than helping people as you must either physically help the creature or donate money to some sort of reliable charity, whereas for homeless people you can give away things such as food or clothing.
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