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Do you believe animals are equal to humans?
Topic Started: Dec 10 2012, 11:41 AM (15,916 Views)
Tyrant
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Elephants are living proof that empathy and emotion is not unique to humans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjtrdpSwEUY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9hrq-XzrHE

Again from a normal persons perspective I believe humans dictate value by intelligence, so can you really say that humans are more important than elephants after watching videos like the ones I just posted? If you do, you are essentially saying that smarter people are more valuable than dumber people, which in itself is a morally wrong way of thinking.
Edited by Tyrant, Dec 12 2012, 07:25 AM.
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k9boy
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ZetaQuetzalcoatlus
Dec 12 2012, 06:23 AM
I would rather save my Beagle than 100000 humans if i had to choose.
Pets are family members and just as important as humans, nuff said.

That being said, murdering 100000 humans for 1 dog is really fucked up.
Edited by k9boy, Dec 12 2012, 09:03 AM.
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Black Ice
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Fragillimus335
Dec 12 2012, 06:57 AM
Seriously, you guys are all freaks, I thought this forum was for people who like animals, not for antisocial murderers. Try to re-evaluate your interpersonal relationships...
I'm actually all general about the subject. Not really choosing a side. As they say neutral is best.
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Tyrant
Dec 12 2012, 07:24 AM


Again from a normal persons perspective I believe humans dictate value by intelligence, so can you really say that humans are more important than elephants after watching videos like the ones I just posted? If you do, you are essentially saying that smarter people are more valuable than dumber people, which in itself is a morally wrong way of thinking.
While intelligence is among the properties i value in humans,there are others as well such as rationality empathy genuine altruism sense of humor etc. In each of these catevories many humans do exceedingly well. Further the animal human intelligence gap is considerable and the difference between humans is small comaratively, meaning if intelligence is the criterion, the value of humans would vary slightly compared to the gap in value between humans and most if not all non humans. For the record i currently have no opinion on this topic, and have beem considering becoming a vegetarian for ethical reasons several times in the past. I would dwfinitely not eat anything that passes the mirror test and i have very uneasy feelings about how humans treatt apes elephants dolphins and corvida.
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I would never inflict intentional suffering on an animal, I disagree absolutley with all kinds of animal cruelty and trophy hunting. That said, I have no problem with slaughterhouses and medical testing on animals, these are both major resources vital to humanity, as long as the animals in question are treated as humanely as possible. Also, as beautiful as I find any large predator if one was threatning myself, my family, my pets or my property I'd have no problem shooting it, thats just basic surivival and I'd imagine most people on this forum would agree with that.

So in short IMO, all animals are equal in that they deserve to be treated humanely and never made to suffer intentionally, but we are an omnivorus species and we do require meat and when we have the potential cures to so many illnesses I think testing on animals is acceptable.
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Unfortunately, people from organizations like PETA and HSUS always favor animals over people. When they say they care about humans, they're kidding themselves. I think they give you guys a bad name.
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Tyrant
Dec 12 2012, 07:24 AM
Elephants are living proof that empathy and emotion is not unique to humans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjtrdpSwEUY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9hrq-XzrHE

Again from a normal persons perspective I believe humans dictate value by intelligence, so can you really say that humans are more important than elephants after watching videos like the ones I just posted? If you do, you are essentially saying that smarter people are more valuable than dumber people, which in itself is a morally wrong way of thinking.
People may explain what's highlighted in red by saying dumb people are the same species as us but not elephants. To counter this, your comment on how something should be judged by the individual can be used.
Edited by Ausar, Dec 12 2012, 10:12 AM.
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Vita
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I've always valued humans over other animals.

Years ago, our house caught on fire. My parents didn't even think of the dogs, they thought of me and my brother. They saw our bikes on the front lawn and thought we were in the house and ran back in. We were running around the back actually so luckily no one was hurt. The dogs somehow made it out of their crates and ran all the way upstairs and under my parent's bed. After everyone was accounted for that's when we thought about the dogs.

If someone offered me a billion dollars to get rid of any animal, I'd do so, even if it was my own. However, no so with any family member. But that's just me. People have killed their wives and husbands for a decent chunk of insurance money.

People who would rather kill another human than an animal are a little off in the head.

And WTF at saving a dog and letting some "idiot's baby die." I'd put a bullet in so many dog's head if it meant I could save that child. Some weird comments floating around in here.
Edited by Vita, Dec 12 2012, 04:46 PM.
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Dec 12 2012, 04:37 PM

If someone offered me a billion dollars to get rid of any animal, I'd do so, even if it was my own.
Wow. You would kill your own dog for money? Thats low.
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Dec 12 2012, 04:37 PM
And WTF at saving a dog and letting some "idiot's baby die." I'd put a bullet in so many dog's head if it meant I could save that child. Some weird comments floating around in here.
You do know that killing that baby would be beneficial to the world right? There is way too much people on this planet.
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Dec 12 2012, 04:37 PM
If someone offered me a billion dollars to get rid of any animal, I'd do so, even if it was my own.
People like you are my enemies. You value MONEY over other animals, other life forms!!! Money is just freaking artificial concept that the world could have likely went along fine without!!!
Edited by SpinoInWonderland, Dec 12 2012, 05:24 PM.
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221Extra
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Fragillimus335
Dec 12 2012, 06:57 AM
Seriously, you guys are all freaks, I thought this forum was for people who like animals, not for antisocial murderers. Try to re-evaluate your interpersonal relationships...
Funny you'd mention that, as those who become "antisocial murders" usually start off with animals. rolleyes

EDIT: I must say there are a whole bunch of stupid what ifs & why I honestly don't know!?
Edited by 221Extra, Dec 12 2012, 05:48 PM.
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My opinion is this way: All animals are equal, yet a value my own species over others.
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Vita
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Dec 12 2012, 05:10 PM
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Dec 12 2012, 04:37 PM
And WTF at saving a dog and letting some "idiot's baby die." I'd put a bullet in so many dog's head if it meant I could save that child. Some weird comments floating around in here.
You do know that killing that baby would be beneficial to the world right? There is way too much people on this planet.
I'll be sure to tell that to any mother who has lost her child for whatever reason. I personally side eye anyone who worries about the death of animals as opposed to children.
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k9boy
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Dec 12 2012, 05:10 PM
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Dec 12 2012, 04:37 PM
And WTF at saving a dog and letting some "idiot's baby die." I'd put a bullet in so many dog's head if it meant I could save that child. Some weird comments floating around in here.
You do know that killing that baby would be beneficial to the world right? There is way too much people on this planet.
Wow....Wtf is wrong with all of you?! Turns out people on this forum love animals so much they would murder babies to save a dog.
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