Lions v Buffalos

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Lions v Buffalos; Pictures & Videos
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ApexBoy	Jun 2 2018, 07:51 AM Post #46
Autotrophic Organism Posts: 133 Group: Members Member #4,901 Joined: May 30, 2018	Ursus 21 ^^This was not a cape buffalo. That kill took place in the Manyeleti Reserve, which is adjacent to Kruger National Park, South Africa. The only buffalos living there should be the Cape Buffalo. Of course, I could be wrong, and this a different subspecies. So, can you identify the species? Ursus 21 Definitely not an adult specimen.The boss has not completely thickened out and the body is not fully widened or grown, the shot above shows this. Actually, that was confirmed an adult cow in the comments. The females usually lack the boss. Ursus 21 There were multiple lionesses attacking the buffalo, and the other male lion helped take it down: What the narrator stated 00:16 Quote: they send a lioness to test him out the bull easily shrugs her off the male launches his full 200 kilogram body onto the back of the bull putting his legs clear off the ground he gives the bull the full effect of his weight Notice how the lion jumps on the buffalo, and it falls before the other male helps pin it. The final strangulation was mainly performed by the male, and the buffalo was practically incapacitated/dead before the other lions started devouring it. Ursus 21 ^^Wonder how many other lions helped him out... 1. That was an outsider male confirmed to have killed the buffalo, stated at 1;30 Quote: The predator used the cover of darkness to his advantage, and we just missed the kill. 2. Even if there were other lions, they should have been there with him at the kill. Anyway, here are some other kills. Just pointing out there are some cases of single lions taking down adult buffalo. Of course, bulls are still dangerous. Lion killing what appears to be a bull (though I could be wrong here) From here: https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-can-a-lone-male-lion-have-a-successful-predation-on-a-adult-bull-buffalo?page=3 Here is an inexperienced lion wrestling a bull, but not successfully making the kill. However, the buffalo bled to death. Lioness takes down cow. Edited by ApexBoy, Jun 2 2018, 08:17 AM.



Ursus 21	Jun 2 2018, 09:28 AM Post #47
Herbivore Posts: 686 Group: Members Member #4,814 Joined: Feb 10, 2018	I was mistaken about that specimen not being a cape buffalo. Cows just look different from bulls I guess. Quote: Actually, that was confirmed an adult cow in the comments. The females usually lack the boss. I'm not sure if YouTube comments are the most reliable sources, but since it has already been established that single lions can kill buffalo cows, I suppose it doesn't matter. Quote: Notice how the lion jumps on the buffalo, and it falls before the other male helps pin it. The final strangulation was mainly performed by the male, and the buffalo was practically incapacitated/dead before the other lions started devouring it. But do you think that lion would have been able to kill that buffalo by himself and without distractions from the other lions? I would say probably not. Quote: Quote: 1. That was an outsider male confirmed to have killed the buffalo, stated at 1;30 The predator used the cover of darkness to his advantage, and we just missed the kill. 2. Even if there were other lions, they should have been there with him at the kill. You could be right. But I'm not sure if those words directly echo "single lion kills buffalo." It is possible that the other lions could have been off hunting other animals, or just resting in a different location. The lion might have killed it himself though. That video with the 22hr ordeal, can you confirm that other lions did not previously injure or incapacitate the buffalo or exhaust it in a long chase before the kill? The buffalo seemed to be badly injured and tired from the start of the video. That picture of the lion wrestling the buffalo bull, was it killed in the end? Is there a story behind it? I'm just very skeptical about this matter because I've never seen an instance of a single lion killing a buffalo bull. I even emailed Dr Craig Packer about this matter a few months back: Edited by Ursus 21, Jun 2 2018, 09:29 AM.



ApexBoy	Jun 2 2018, 02:15 PM Post #48
Autotrophic Organism Posts: 133 Group: Members Member #4,901 Joined: May 30, 2018	Ursus 21 But do you think that lion would have been able to kill that buffalo by himself and without distractions from the other lions? I would say probably not. It's possible for him to have had a messier kill, considering most of the effort was from him. Like these two lionesses and a bull. Ursus 21 That video with the 22hr ordeal, can you confirm that other lions did not previously injure or incapacitate the buffalo or exhaust it in a long chase before the kill? The buffalo seemed to be badly injured and tired from the start of the video. I have to admit, this video is a bit iffy. Anyway,there should have been more lions. Lions will mostly dogpile on the same big animal if they are hunting together. Seemed most of the work was done by the male. There is an injured animal with one male, why not have several attack? There should have been at least another male with him. Ursus 21 That picture of the lion wrestling the buffalo bull, was it killed in the end? Is there a story behind it? The buffalo was stated to have died of its injuries. Ursus 21 I even emailed Dr Craig Packer about this matter a few months back Craig Packer's work was mostly in the Serengeti, where the buffalo is not exactly a favored prey item. Preference of prey (essentially, greater number of observed hunts of that prey) seem to vary depending on the national park. Here is a description from wikipedia. Quote: In many areas, a small number of species may make up around three-fourths of the lion's diet. In Serengeti National Park, wildebeest, zebras and gazelle are the majority of prey.[111] In Kruger National Park, giraffes are the most common prey.[112] In Manyara Park, Cape buffaloes constitute as much as 62% of the lion's diet.[113] I guess we'll have to find more accounts by various researchers in different parks. Edited by ApexBoy, Jun 2 2018, 02:17 PM.



jilot	Jun 2 2018, 02:19 PM Post #49
Unicellular Organism Posts: 21 Group: Members Member #4,840 Joined: Mar 10, 2018	ApexBoy Jun 2 2018, 02:15 PM Ursus 21 But do you think that lion would have been able to kill that buffalo by himself and without distractions from the other lions? I would say probably not. It's possible for him to have had a messier kill, considering most of the effort was from him. Like these two lionesses and a bull. Ursus 21 That video with the 22hr ordeal, can you confirm that other lions did not previously injure or incapacitate the buffalo or exhaust it in a long chase before the kill? The buffalo seemed to be badly injured and tired from the start of the video. I have to admit, this video is a bit iffy. Anyway,there should have been more lions. Lions will mostly dogpile on the same big animal if they are hunting together. Seemed most of the work was done by the male. There is an injured animal with one male, why not have several attack? There should have been at least another male with him. Ursus 21 That picture of the lion wrestling the buffalo bull, was it killed in the end? Is there a story behind it? The buffalo was stated to have died of its injuries. Ursus 21 I even emailed Dr Craig Packer about this matter a few months back Craig Packer's work was mostly in the Serengeti, where the buffalo is not exactly a favored prey item. Preference of prey (essentially, greater number of observed hunts of that prey) seem to vary depending on the national park. Here is a description from wikipedia. Quote: In many areas, a small number of species may make up around three-fourths of the lion's diet. In Serengeti National Park, wildebeest, zebras and gazelle are the majority of prey.[111] In Kruger National Park, giraffes are the most common prey.[112] In Manyara Park, Cape buffaloes constitute as much as 62% of the lion's diet.[113] I guess we'll have to find more accounts by various researchers in different parks. We are talking about adult prey, being hunted by lone lions. Doesnt exist anywhere.



Ursus 21	Jun 2 2018, 04:23 PM Post #50
Herbivore Posts: 686 Group: Members Member #4,814 Joined: Feb 10, 2018	Thanks for your answers. I have enjoyed the content you've posted here man.



Flesh	Jun 12 2018, 04:39 PM Post #51
Autotrophic Organism Posts: 133 Group: Members Member #4,898 Joined: May 24, 2018	Male lion attempts an ambush on a buffalo calf while they are with their mother. The buffalo cow turns around and meets the lion face to face before he can attempt the ambush. He then avoids the buffalo's horn thrust and kills the buffalo with a throat-bite in a frontal confrontation. Edited by Flesh, Jun 12 2018, 04:45 PM.



Ursus 21	Jun 12 2018, 05:22 PM Post #52
Herbivore Posts: 686 Group: Members Member #4,814 Joined: Feb 10, 2018	Flesh Jun 12 2018, 04:39 PM Male lion attempts an ambush on a buffalo calf while they are with their mother. The buffalo cow turns around and meets the lion face to face before he can attempt the ambush. He then avoids the buffalo's horn thrust and kills the buffalo with a throat-bite in a frontal confrontation. This was an injured cow: Incredible video of 2 male lions eyeing out an injured buffalo mother with her calf, then utilizing an opening to make the kill. Btw, I would not call that a fair fight at all. The injured cow was taken off guard by the lion and was obviously was not prepared to fight back once he made contact. The cow didn't see or know that the lion was coming. Edited by Ursus 21, Jun 12 2018, 05:24 PM.



Flesh	Jun 12 2018, 05:57 PM Post #53
Autotrophic Organism Posts: 133 Group: Members Member #4,898 Joined: May 24, 2018	Ursus 21 Jun 12 2018, 05:22 PM Flesh Jun 12 2018, 04:39 PM Male lion attempts an ambush on a buffalo calf while they are with their mother. The buffalo cow turns around and meets the lion face to face before he can attempt the ambush. He then avoids the buffalo's horn thrust and kills the buffalo with a throat-bite in a frontal confrontation. This was an injured cow: Incredible video of 2 male lions eyeing out an injured buffalo mother with her calf, then utilizing an opening to make the kill. Btw, I would not call that a fair fight at all. The injured cow was taken off guard by the lion and was obviously was not prepared to fight back once he made contact. The cow didn't see or know that the lion was coming. You're right, the cow was injured. My bad. The lion went for the calf initially and had to adjust himself to the cow after the cow had made the first move on him (i.e. horn thrust), so I would say it was fair (fair in the sense it was a face to face confrontation).



Ursus 21	Jun 28 2018, 07:37 PM Post #54
Herbivore Posts: 686 Group: Members Member #4,814 Joined: Feb 10, 2018	Female lion had her legs broken by a cape buffalo Quote: Zambia Africa...we watched a pride of lions stalk out a buffalo. This lioness jumped on the buffalo from a corness, but the buffalo smashed her into the ground and broke her legs. We went back the next day and she was still there. We discussed the prospect of her starving to death, but the guide said she'd get eaten by hyenas first!! Male lion killed by a buffalo Quote: Mystery solved: Mara Triangle Facebook page says the lion died as a result of a fight with a buffalo. "Following thorough investigation of the area where lion was found dead, we came across area where buffalo had fought the lion with remains of lion mane, blood splatter and broken horn. The broken horn seems to be the cause of sharp cut on the carcass. We apologize for the earlier post about Maasai youth killing the lion and our false accusation as it now looks like buffalo is in deed the culprit" Source: Lion dies due to fight with buffalo in the Mara Female lion killed by a cape buffalo Quote: A second lion poisoned by herders at the weekend died yesterday. It was attacked by a buffalo. Source: Second Mara lion killed in buffalo attack Male lion killed by a charging buffalo Source: Buffalo bull kills a lion Edited by Ursus 21, Jul 1 2018, 03:08 PM.



Ursus 21	Jul 1 2018, 09:35 PM Post #55
Herbivore Posts: 686 Group: Members Member #4,814 Joined: Feb 10, 2018	Young buffalo charges and fights off two lionesses Video: Umkumbe Lodge: two Lions attack Buffalo The determined young bull went at the lions multiple times. This is a great example of how the prey animal's chances of survival skyrocket when they choose to stand their ground and fight back. Edited by Ursus 21, Jul 1 2018, 09:42 PM.



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