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Lions v Hyenas; Pictures & Videos
Topic Started: Jan 7 2012, 03:36 AM (18,791 Views)
Canidae Jun 25 2012, 04:52 AM Post #16
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Jun 25 2012, 03:53 AM
Hyena durability is overrated. Sure they can survive horrific attacks and neck bites but they lay there limply while it is applied and afterward, I fail to see its relevance as an advantage in a fight unless you expect the competitor to lose interest before killing the hyena.
That has happened, but is irrelevant.
But limp? Like when the Hyaena bit the Lioness' lip at 00:40?

Or 'limp' in this video?


Or this one at 3:29?


Or this one at 00:20?


Or at 2:35 in this video?
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k9boy Jun 25 2012, 05:12 AM Post #17
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 They are tough, but if a leopard or lion got a hold on the throat and were intent on killing it, it would die.
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Canidae Jun 25 2012, 05:21 AM Post #18
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Jun 25 2012, 05:12 AM
They are tough, but if a leopard or lion got a hold on the throat and were intent on killing it, it would die.
A Lion very likely, but average Spotteds have survived long throat bites from mature male Leopards ('Sweet Revenge').
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ManEater Jun 25 2012, 05:48 AM Post #19
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 There is one case where the leopard don'k kill the hyena with the strangulation , don't insinuate that a leopard can't kill a hyena by throat bite or it is the norm, leopards have killed zebras , elands etc , they would kill a hyena by a throat on the bite without trouble if the leopard is motivated to really do such a thing.
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Canidae Jun 25 2012, 05:55 AM Post #20
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Jun 25 2012, 05:48 AM
There is one case where the leopard don'k kill the hyena with the strangulation , don't insinuate that a leopard can't kill a hyena by throat bite or it is the norm, leopards have killed zebras , elands etc , they would kill a hyena by a throat on the bite without trouble if the leopard is motivated to really do such a thing.
It certainly did seem really motivated in the account.
Laying multiple bites, shifting it's bite, holding on for 10 minutes, etc.

Interestingly, Caught in the Act also featured it on the show with nothing huge but a couple of new images of the account, I'll try to upload them soon to the accounts thread.
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k9boy Jun 25 2012, 04:36 PM Post #21
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 So theres an account of a leopard killing a hyena?
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Bandog Jun 25 2012, 05:19 PM Post #22
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Jun 25 2012, 04:52 AM
Amphicyon
Jun 25 2012, 03:53 AM
Hyena durability is overrated. Sure they can survive horrific attacks and neck bites but they lay there limply while it is applied and afterward, I fail to see its relevance as an advantage in a fight unless you expect the competitor to lose interest before killing the hyena.
That has happened, but is irrelevant.
But limp? Like when the Hyaena bit the Lioness' lip at 00:40?

Or 'limp' in this video?


Or this one at 3:29?


Or this one at 00:20?


Or at 2:35 in this video?
First video, hyena dies
Second video, it is saved by another hyena
Third and forth, no throat hold is applied.
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MightyKharza Jun 25 2012, 11:25 PM Post #23
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Jun 25 2012, 03:53 AM
First video, hyena dies
Second video, it is saved by another hyena
Third and forth, no throat hold is applied.


You're missing the point: the first two hyenas escaped an initial attack, and did not "lie there limply". The first one was still running, and the second could still stand. Also, during the attacks, all three of them fought back.
Edited by MightyKharza, Jun 25 2012, 11:29 PM.
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Canidae Jun 26 2012, 12:51 AM Post #24
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Jun 25 2012, 11:25 PM
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Jun 25 2012, 03:53 AM
First video, hyena dies
Second video, it is saved by another hyena
Third and forth, no throat hold is applied.


You're missing the point: the first two hyenas escaped an initial attack, and did not "lie there limply". The first one was still running, and the second could still stand. Also, during the attacks, all three of them fought back.
Kharza said it; the point is that hyaenas are capable of aggressive retaliation under attack and even freeing themselves from a larger opponent.
Not just going 'limp'.
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k9boy Jun 26 2012, 12:57 AM Post #25
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 Canidae, Can you post that account of the leopard killing the hyena that you and ManEater where talking about please?
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Canidae Jun 26 2012, 01:00 AM Post #26
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Jun 26 2012, 12:57 AM
Canidae, Can you post that account of the leopard killing the hyena that you and ManEater where talking about please?
Ah, I think we were talking about the 'Sweet Revenge' piece by Guy Balme? When ManEater said 'There is one case where the leopard don'k kill the hyena with the strangulation' I think he meant that the hyena wasn't killed via strangulation.
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Bandog Jun 26 2012, 06:47 AM Post #27
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Jun 26 2012, 12:51 AM
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Jun 25 2012, 11:25 PM
Amphicyon
Jun 25 2012, 03:53 AM
First video, hyena dies
Second video, it is saved by another hyena
Third and forth, no throat hold is applied.


You're missing the point: the first two hyenas escaped an initial attack, and did not "lie there limply". The first one was still running, and the second could still stand. Also, during the attacks, all three of them fought back.
Kharza said it; the point is that hyaenas are capable of aggressive retaliation under attack and even freeing themselves from a larger opponent.
Not just going 'limp'.
The incredible durability feat of surviving throat holds still seems to me that they go limp when the throat is grabbed. The video of the hyena that got grabbed by the male lion first went limp, then when the lioness started mauling it, bit her lip and then went limp when the male grabbed its throat again.
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Canidae Jun 27 2012, 01:45 AM Post #28
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Jun 26 2012, 06:47 AM
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Jun 26 2012, 12:51 AM
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Jun 25 2012, 11:25 PM
Amphicyon
Jun 25 2012, 03:53 AM
First video, hyena dies
Second video, it is saved by another hyena
Third and forth, no throat hold is applied.


You're missing the point: the first two hyenas escaped an initial attack, and did not "lie there limply". The first one was still running, and the second could still stand. Also, during the attacks, all three of them fought back.
Kharza said it; the point is that hyaenas are capable of aggressive retaliation under attack and even freeing themselves from a larger opponent.
Not just going 'limp'.
The incredible durability feat of surviving throat holds still seems to me that they go limp when the throat is grabbed. The video of the hyena that got grabbed by the male lion first went limp, then when the lioness started mauling it, bit her lip and then went limp when the male grabbed its throat again.
In some instances they struggle, but due to the restricting position of a throat hold there isn't a lot any animal would be able to physically do in the situation.
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Bandog Jun 27 2012, 04:33 AM Post #29
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 I've always wondered why hyenas defend themselves more aggressively from lionesses as opposed to lions. Surely a bite to the face like that lioness received would aid the hyenas defense better than playing dead. Perhaps the lions greater strength just makes it easier for him compared to the lioness
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jontsu Jul 14 2012, 02:42 AM Post #30
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