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Where would a pack of BULLY KUTTA be ranked on the predator hieracy in India
Topic Started: Jan 18 2013, 10:06 AM (16,799 Views)
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I love how these dog fanatics live in a fantasy world where domestic dogs are significant predators of any sort in ecosystems dominated by other mammalian predators - especially one inhabited by large, powerful felines, for example tigers.
Edited by Cape Leopard, Oct 14 2014, 02:18 AM.
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Indian predator hierarchy:
human
brown bear
Bengal tiger
Asiatic lion
pack of bully kutta
Himalayan black bear
sloth bear
Indian leopard
snow leopard
Malayan sun bear
a bully kutta
striped hyena
clouded leopard
Eurasian lynx
dhole
Indian wolf
golden jackal
smaller carnivores
Yes, tigers, lions, and brown bears can kill even packs of any dogs, but they will dominate anything smaller in packs.
Edited by maker, Oct 22 2014, 04:33 PM.
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They could survive, that's for sure.
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a wild dog pack will overpower them.
they will tree a leopard. it's too risky to get a bite on the leg even if he killed servel of them
but a leopardess defending the young will kill them anytime.
a tiger is too much.
so as a big male leopard
maker
Oct 14 2014, 04:04 PM
Indian predator hierarchy:
human
brown bear
Bengal tiger
Asiatic lion
pack of bully kutta
Himalayan black bear
sloth bear
Indian leopard
snow leopard
Malayan sun bear
a bully kutta
striped hyena
clouded leopard
Eurasian lynx
dhole
Indian wolf
golden jackal
smaller carnivores
Yes, tigers, lions, and brown bears can kill even packs of any dogs, but they will dominate anything smaller in packs.
you messed it up.
sloth bears don't hunt
thats my list without humans
tiger
asiatic lions-leopard
snow leopard
brown bear
dholes
indian wolves
BULLY KUTTAS
striped hyena
clouded leopard
lynx
jackal
and all the others
Edited by LeopardNimr, Dec 16 2016, 10:52 PM.
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There are lots of reasons they wouldn't do well, but being killed because they're vulnerable and weak wouldn't be one of them. They're big bold strong aggressive dogs and in a pack would actually intimidate most predators into avoidance. They could bully leopards off kills very easily, even single bully kuttas could the same way spotted hyenas do, let alone a pack.

However they have to find the kill site first, they're not built to cover vast distances, not just as in long distance running but also the work ethic to spend hours searching, a lot of "high octane" performance dogs are especially lazy. Greyhounds for example sleep or at least rest about 22 hours a day.

There's a reason the majority of feral dogs are of a certain type, they're lightly built small cunning workers. All those scabby street dogs in India are actually perfectly adapted predators to their specific wild niche.

Dog breeds that seem to have a propensity to succeed as feral dogs are not great hunters or great fighters but hard workers. Collies, heelers, herders... Smart dogs that are driven "go getters", dogs that get bored being pets and need stimulation all day. They can adapt to wild survival because its first and foremost hard work. If it was just kicking butt here and there the bk would be fine, but it isn't.

The closest I've heard to a wild bk would be the odd feral dog shot in Australia that is clearly from a boardog background. Australia has a lot of feral dogs and like the rest of the world most are 30-40 lbs, but some are more than double that (45 kg female recently shot at Thanes creek qld) and look like boardogs (a little like racier bks), no doubt descend from boardogs and must have some success actively hunting larger prey. I think these dogs are really pushing the boundaries of how much success domestic dogs can have as wild predators, and it's worth noting they have zero competition, lots of prey, and also at least descend from working hunting dogs and although large aren't obscenely monstrously large like bks, just average wolf size, lean and built to move. The bks heavy bones are just like trying to drag weights behind you in a marathon, a huge hindrance for wild survival as a dog. Then you can talk about it's mindset and lack of wilderness smarts and the list goes on.

If they see another predator I'm sure they'll likely chase it off, but most of the time they'll just be alone, confused, hungry and tired.
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Dec 16 2016, 11:37 PM
There are lots of reasons they wouldn't do well, but being killed because they're vulnerable and weak wouldn't be one of them. They're big bold strong aggressive dogs and in a pack would actually intimidate most predators into avoidance. They could bully leopards off kills very easily, even single bully kuttas could the same way spotted hyenas do, let alone a pack.

However they have to find the kill site first, they're not built to cover vast distances, not just as in long distance running but also the work ethic to spend hours searching, a lot of "high octane" performance dogs are especially lazy. Greyhounds for example sleep or at least rest about 22 hours a day.

There's a reason the majority of feral dogs are of a certain type, they're lightly built small cunning workers. All those scabby street dogs in India are actually perfectly adapted predators to their specific wild niche.

Dog breeds that seem to have a propensity to succeed as feral dogs are not great hunters or great fighters but hard workers. Collies, heelers, herders... Smart dogs that are driven "go getters", dogs that get bored being pets and need stimulation all day. They can adapt to wild survival because its first and foremost hard work. If it was just kicking butt here and there the bk would be fine, but it isn't.

The closest I've heard to a wild bk would be the odd feral dog shot in Australia that is clearly from a boardog background. Australia has a lot of feral dogs and like the rest of the world most are 30-40 lbs, but some are more than double that (45 kg female recently shot at Thanes creek qld) and look like boardogs (a little like racier bks), no doubt descend from boardogs and must have some success actively hunting larger prey. I think these dogs are really pushing the boundaries of how much success domestic dogs can have as wild predators, and it's worth noting they have zero competition, lots of prey, and also at least descend from working hunting dogs and although large aren't obscenely monstrously large like bks, just average wolf size, lean and built to move. The bks heavy bones are just like trying to drag weights behind you in a marathon, a huge hindrance for wild survival as a dog. Then you can talk about it's mindset and lack of wilderness smarts and the list goes on.

If they see another predator I'm sure they'll likely chase it off, but most of the time they'll just be alone, confused, hungry and tired.
hyenas have a way of stealing kills from leopards
a bully kutta isn't a hyena
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Well it's not rocket science, I've seen it. They walk or jog towards the leopard as it stands over it's kill and then the leopard runs away. I think this is one wilderness skill the bk just inherently has mastered.
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Dec 17 2016, 12:03 AM
Well it's not rocket science, I've seen it. They walk or jog towards the leopard as it stands over it's kill and then the leopard runs away. I think this is one wilderness skill the bk just inherently has mastered.
only hyenas can do this
they have some long necks and they can knock the leopard with defending their throat
but an angry leopard will just knock over the hyena to the ground killing it
a dog is way easier
people really like to jerk off on those dogs.
they aren't top dogs in anyway and they won't kill any leopard or tiger.
a human can win a dog
and a leopard will kill a human rather easily
for me the right german shepherd is the right choice
a bull kutta tosa inu kangal and whatever aren't really the best dogs
they just look cool.

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Leopards run away from hyenas without any fight or contact taking place whatsoever, the hyena just walks over to start eating the leopards kill and by the time it gets there the leopard is gone. They would definitely do the same for a dog of a similar height and size that's even more confident and aggressive.

For the record I don't think the bully Kutta is special at all, no breed is, it doesn't need to be to intimidate a leopard off it's kill. It's gotta be the easiest little part of this hypothetical wild life, literally it's the one thing the bk can do, it will be awful at every other aspect of wild survival, and there are many.

You think German shepherds are the right choice, I already mentioned herders as a better choice in my last post. The dog types that most readily succeed as feral - herders, heelers, collies, spitz breeds.
This shows that wild survival isn't about being the best fighter or best hunter, intelligence and judgement in a versatile frame with high long lasting energy is what works.
Edited by Grazier, Dec 17 2016, 07:05 AM.
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Prolly pretty low. They're overspecialized for combat, and wouldn't last long out in the wild. I see them picking fights with tigers and bears and the like, and getting killed for their trouble.
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Don't BKs have problems involving all of the wrinkly skin that they have on their faces; potentially leading to facial infections that could inhibit their ability to look for prey
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Leopards run away from hyenas without any fight or contact taking place whatsoever, the hyena just walks over to start eating the leopards kill and by the time it gets there the leopard is gone. They would definitely do the same for a dog of a similar height and size that's even more confident and aggressive.

For the record I don't think the bully Kutta is special at all, no breed is, it doesn't need to be to intimidate a leopard off it's kill. It's gotta be the easiest little part of this hypothetical wild life, literally it's the one thing the bk can do, it will be awful at every other aspect of wild survival, and there are many.

You think German shepherds are the right choice, I already mentioned herders as a better choice in my last post. The dog types that most readily succeed as feral - herders, heelers, collies, spitz breeds.
This shows that wild survival isn't about being the best fighter or best hunter, intelligence and judgement in a versatile frame with high long lasting energy is what works.
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Leopards run away from hyenas without any fight or contact taking place whatsoever,


lol

There's literally DOZENS of videos on this site alone, not to mention YouTube, that show male leopards easily fighting off a hyena who tries to take their kill. My god, kid...really?
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top predators of india first to last no humans!
Bengal tiger-asiatic lions:kill sambar often and even water buffalos also they can win over any other predator except when a female lion-tiger encounter a big male leopard they will loose to him
indian leopard:it is smaller,but kill all the prey the big boys eat (yet rarely on water buffalos)
brown bear:he is brown,and he is a bear agro
snow leopard:he is impressive,yet don't kill yaks, if they would they will be ranked with the leopard but they are impressive IMO
sloth and black bears
dhole
striped hyena
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indian wolf

one bully kutta won't win over a striped hyean
so he will be below him
a pack won't beat wolves or dholes
and bears of all types will crush them
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except when a female lion-tiger encounter a big male leopard they will loose to him

Not really, full grown ( healthy ) tigresses and lionesses are still much heavier than the leopard, the leopard having no advantages over it or whatsoever. An account:

"During the next 11 months, when the resident female was not replaced, a large male leopard intermittently used the area. In January 1988 his 4-5 day old remains were discovered in a patch of partially burnt grass. Canine punctures at the nape of the neck, the vertebrate of which were shattered, as well as wounds on the back left no doubt that he had been killed by a tiger, most probably an adult female."

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except when a female lion-tiger encounter a big male leopard they will loose to him

Not really, full grown ( healthy ) tigresses and lionesses are still much heavier than the leopard, the leopard having no advantages over it or whatsoever. An account:

"During the next 11 months, when the resident female was not replaced, a large male leopard intermittently used the area. In January 1988 his 4-5 day old remains were discovered in a patch of partially burnt grass. Canine punctures at the nape of the neck, the vertebrate of which were shattered, as well as wounds on the back left no doubt that he had been killed by a tiger, most probably an adult female."

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a 100 kg leopard vs average 120 kg lioness /tigeress
me go with the leopard!
but indian leopards are 50 kg
sooooooo....
also you ar account is with a female leopard
female leopards from india are 40 or less on average
the largest leopard caught in india was 110 kg
i would favor him over larger female panthera
even 130 kg
yet a 130 kg jaguar will kill him

it is more agile and a bit more agressive
it won't be killed that easy
a 50 kg leopard vs asiatic lioness
is 70% of the time
an almost dead lioness
Edited by LeopardNimr, Feb 11 2017, 12:06 AM.
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