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Wolves vs striped hyena
Topic Started: Feb 23 2013, 11:15 PM (6,783 Views)
Full Throttle
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There behavior was quite odd, 12 wolves and no attempt to defend the kill? The y must all have eaten their fill or they were really scared of that hyena. I'm inclined to agree with taipan, if that hyena had tried it with a pack of AWDS or north american wolves it would have been repelled, maybe even killed.
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I doubt even a single north american wolf would tolerate a striped hyena the way those 12 arabians ones did.
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k9boy
Feb 24 2013, 11:10 PM
I doubt even a single north american wolf would tolerate a striped hyena the way those 12 arabians ones did.
The north American variety would have attacked it like they do coyotes.
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Bear in mind that this hyena wasn't even a peak physical specimen of the species. It was female (striped hyena females are smaller than males, unlike the spotted species), and this took place in the Arabian peninsula, where the species reaches smaller sizes than it does in India and Central Asia.
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Striped hyena are honey badgers lol

Edit: I hope everyone knows striped hyena are bigger than arabian wolves (which average 40lbs)
Edited by Black Ice, Feb 24 2013, 11:52 PM.
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Black Ice
Feb 24 2013, 11:41 PM
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Feb 24 2013, 11:10 PM
I doubt even a single north american wolf would tolerate a striped hyena the way those 12 arabians ones did.
The north American variety would have attacked it like they do coyotes.
Doubt it. A bite could still badly injure even a north american wolf.
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k9boy
Feb 24 2013, 11:55 PM
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Feb 24 2013, 11:41 PM
k9boy
Feb 24 2013, 11:10 PM
I doubt even a single north american wolf would tolerate a striped hyena the way those 12 arabians ones did.
The north American variety would have attacked it like they do coyotes.
Doubt it. A bite could still badly injure even a north american wolf.
A lot of things bites could hurt a larger animal. That still doesn't save them 9/10. This hyena would be treated like a coyote.
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Well that would be a foolish mistake on the wolfs part. A coyote poses 0 threat to even a small female wolf, And while I would back a north american wolf against a striped hyena it would be a close fight. I really doubt a wolf would be dumb enough to treat a striped hyena like a coyote.
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k9boy
Feb 25 2013, 12:03 AM
Well that would be a foolish mistake on the wolfs part. A coyote poses 0 threat to even a small female wolf, And while I would back a north american wolf against a striped hyena it would be a close fight. I really doubt a wolf would be dumb enough to treat a striped hyena like a coyote.
I'm pretty sure a bite from another NA grey wolf is many times more deadly than a bite from a 70lb striped hyena. A strong bite alone does not make a damaging bite. The would infact see this hyena as a weird looking coyote.
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Regarding striped hyena and their "bites"

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"A tiger came out first, and was bagged, shortly afterwards a panther came out and received a flesh wound to the neck, after which it disappeared into a deep cave. This was surrounded; and they soon heard the noise of a fight going on inside. The shikaries said that there was tiger in the cave which was killing the panther; the officers tried for half an hour to dislodge the animals by firing rifles and throwing firecrackers into the cave but without success. So leaving the officer who had wounded the panther on guard, the other two went off to secure the dead tiger. Shortly afterwards a small hyena came out and was shot. The hyena was a female about 4 feet 6 inches in length and was badly scratched about the face but otherwise uninjured. Next morning on return to the cave a female panther, about 5 feet 10 inches, was found lying just outside the cave stone dead. On examination it was found she had a fresh bullet wound in the neck, which was not sufficient to kill her, but she had been bitten in two places by the hyena, firstly through her loins, secondly through the kidneys at the same time injuring the spine, and there is little doubt that the panther died from these injuries as the flesh wound in the neck was not nearly severe enough to cause its death, although it might have done so in a few days if mortification set in."


http://carnivoraforum.com/topic/9824133/1/?x=25#new

I think a striped hyena could hold its own quite well against wolf at parity. They are known to kill LGD dogs much larger than the wolves they dispatch in that region.
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Feb 25 2013, 12:20 AM
Regarding striped hyena and their "bites"

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"A tiger came out first, and was bagged, shortly afterwards a panther came out and received a flesh wound to the neck, after which it disappeared into a deep cave. This was surrounded; and they soon heard the noise of a fight going on inside. The shikaries said that there was tiger in the cave which was killing the panther; the officers tried for half an hour to dislodge the animals by firing rifles and throwing firecrackers into the cave but without success. So leaving the officer who had wounded the panther on guard, the other two went off to secure the dead tiger. Shortly afterwards a small hyena came out and was shot. The hyena was a female about 4 feet 6 inches in length and was badly scratched about the face but otherwise uninjured. Next morning on return to the cave a female panther, about 5 feet 10 inches, was found lying just outside the cave stone dead. On examination it was found she had a fresh bullet wound in the neck, which was not sufficient to kill her, but she had been bitten in two places by the hyena, firstly through her loins, secondly through the kidneys at the same time injuring the spine, and there is little doubt that the panther died from these injuries as the flesh wound in the neck was not nearly severe enough to cause its death, although it might have done so in a few days if mortification set in."


http://carnivoraforum.com/topic/9824133/1/?x=25#new

I think a striped hyena could hold its own quite well against wolf at parity. They are known to kill LGD dogs much larger than the wolves they dispatch in that region.
At parity a 70lb NA wolf is a minimum end female. Lycaon sure does make a point about people swearing on the parity law. Even though I do it as well on occasion.
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North American wolves would be too large and too powerful for a striped hyena, no way. I'm referring to populations of canis lupus where they generally reach an average between 60-80 pounds. Striped hyena aren't that large, especially the females.
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Woah, Thanks for the account k9Crocuta. I have underestimated the striped hyena.
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K9Crocuta
Feb 25 2013, 12:28 AM
North American wolves would be too large and too powerful for a striped hyena, no way. I'm referring to populations of canis lupus where they generally reach an average between 60-80 pounds. Striped hyena aren't that large, especially the females.
Oh I thought you were with k9boy in saying a NA wolf would struggle with a striped hyena. I agree with the rest of your post though.

K9boy personally killing a panther with a bullet in it's neck isn't that impressive seeing as how a injured neck severely impairs motor skills. Still nice though.
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It is indeed strange that the so many wolves gave way to the hyena. I believe it had to do with motivation and perhaps awareness of the filming crew, creating unease in the pack. If the wolves wanted to end the hyena, they would. One or two would die, but the hyena would not survive an attack from so many. You would need a big cat or a bear to handle that many wolves at once to have a chance of living.

I agree with Full Throttle. These wolves were probably not hungry enough to risk injury.


It is really nice to see footage of Arabian wolves. I wonder if there is a video of dingoes using that type of camera (infrared?). It would allow for a nice comparison between the two for that match up. Overall, the wolves are small for sure, but they still seem more robust than say an Eastern coyote and certainly more than a golden jackal.

As for the narration, Mr. Siddig (from Star Trek Deep Space Nine) did not write the script, so I would not blame him for the little exaggerations in the series. I watched the first episode last night, and I thought it was pretty good. I enjoyed the window into the culture of Bedouins. It was also nice to see the jerboas highlighted. The footage of the lizard changing color was very cool as well. I look forward to this next episode.
Edited by Sicilianu, Feb 25 2013, 12:37 AM.
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