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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 23 2013, 11:15 PM (6,782 Views) | |
| k9boy | Feb 25 2013, 12:58 AM Post #31 |
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I know the leopard wasn't in tip top condition, and I would back a healthy leopard over a striped hyena. But it demonstrates the power of the hyenas bite. Not to mention it wasn't a particularly big hyena. And just so we are clear, I favour a north american wolf over a striped hyena at parity, but it wouldn't be as easy as you make out it would. |
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| Black Ice | Feb 25 2013, 01:03 AM Post #32 |
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Do you know a 70lb NA wolf is a minimum weight female? You can't always use parity to defend your point. |
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| k9boy | Feb 25 2013, 01:06 AM Post #33 |
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70lb isn't the maximum weight for a striped hyena you know. |
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| Black Ice | Feb 25 2013, 01:08 AM Post #34 |
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It's average. |
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| MightyKharza | Feb 25 2013, 03:42 AM Post #35 |
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Even discounting the hyena's immense physical superiority to the coyote, I sincerely doubt even a large North American wolf would treat a striped hyena with such impunity, considering the hyena's defence mechanisms of making itself look bigger by puffing up its mane and spraying foul-smelling liquid.
I doubt that, considering the wolves are obviously accustomed enough to human scents to feed so close to a settlement in the first place. What I find interesting is just how casually the hyena just walks into the scene without showing any body language indicative of fear or caution (except when briefly nipped). It's probable it's not the first time it's done this, and hasn't been adversely conditioned. |
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| Black Ice | Mar 4 2013, 06:35 AM Post #36 |
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My reasoning behind the NA wolves treating the hyena like a weird coyote is two things. 1. Striped hyenas and coyote are around the same size etc. So that being how wolves are used to seeing dog like animals in the form of coyotes. If you put another dog like animal around a coyotes size into NA wolf territory. Since coyote are the only things wolves are used to. They would treat the hyena no different . Trial and error type deal. |
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| k9boy | Mar 4 2013, 06:58 AM Post #37 |
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Striped hyenasrs are around 70 -80lbs, Coyotes are 40 - 60lbs |
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| Black Ice | Mar 4 2013, 07:04 AM Post #38 |
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Hence they are AROUND the same weight. 10 pounds ain't much of a visual difference. Edited by Black Ice, Mar 4 2013, 07:05 AM.
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| Rashido | Mar 4 2013, 07:51 AM Post #39 |
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In most areas of NA where wolves live, an average coyote doesn't get more than 30 lbs, primarily due to pressure by wolves to stay small. The reason coyotes are so big in the east is a combination of interbreeding with wolves and lack of larger active predators who would suppress their numbers. In the west, 40lbs is positively outlandish. |
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| Black Ice | Mar 4 2013, 07:53 AM Post #40 |
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There are 50lb coyotes in Yellowstone National Park, albeit rare though. The largest coyote on record weighed around 74.5lbs. Edited by Black Ice, Mar 4 2013, 07:54 AM.
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| Rashido | Mar 4 2013, 07:56 AM Post #41 |
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Coyotes that size are remnants of a time when they were second only to grizzlies in Yellowstone. Now that the wolves are back, coyotes are getting small again. |
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| Black Ice | Mar 4 2013, 07:58 AM Post #42 |
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Really? Last I heard coyotes top 30lbs quite frequently. Some even average in the 40's. |
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| Rashido | Mar 4 2013, 08:00 AM Post #43 |
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In the EAST. Populations of western coyotes average 25-30 lbs from every source I've ever seen. |
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| Black Ice | Mar 4 2013, 08:02 AM Post #44 |
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So why you using the smaller population? |
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| Rashido | Mar 4 2013, 08:06 AM Post #45 |
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Because coyotes in the west are pure coyote, in the east they're hybrids. Populations that size (40-60lbs) are the exception that proves the rule. It is not accurate to portray most coyotes as this size, and comparing them to a striped hyena is most certainly not a valid comparison. |
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