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Sumatran Tiger: The true Pound for Pound King of Cats
Topic Started: Apr 7 2013, 05:35 PM (7,088 Views)
pars
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ImperialDino
Apr 11 2013, 06:54 PM
Sicilianu
Apr 9 2013, 04:38 AM
I am a little lost... I thought we were talking pound for pound? Does someone really think a Bengal would lose to a Sumatran in a fight? I know the thread was probably made to be inflammatory over anything else, but that would be ridiculous.
Sumatran Tigers can defeat the Bengal sometimes, but not most times, being that's it's too small. There is alot of FALSE TALK about Jaguars pound for pound this or Leopards pound for pound that, without much thought. Sumatran Tigers can take prey that Jaguars could only dream of.
Dear Imperial Dino,

Jaguars can prey tapirs which are 250 - 300 kg and cattles weighing 1 000 lbs (450 kg). These info has been published in scientific books like wild cats of the world of sunqvists and some articles. I do not know any scientific record on the hunting performance of Sumatran tiger but as far as I know they can kill Indian/Malayan tapir which weigh up to 400 kg, they kill bantengs (if adults, then more than 600 kg) and gaurs but I am not sure if they are the largest examples of this species. So there is no very big difference between their prey weights.
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pars
Apr 16 2013, 06:10 AM
ImperialDino
Apr 11 2013, 06:54 PM
Sicilianu
Apr 9 2013, 04:38 AM
I am a little lost... I thought we were talking pound for pound? Does someone really think a Bengal would lose to a Sumatran in a fight? I know the thread was probably made to be inflammatory over anything else, but that would be ridiculous.
Sumatran Tigers can defeat the Bengal sometimes, but not most times, being that's it's too small. There is alot of FALSE TALK about Jaguars pound for pound this or Leopards pound for pound that, without much thought. Sumatran Tigers can take prey that Jaguars could only dream of.
Dear Imperial Dino,

Jaguars can prey tapirs which are 250 - 300 kg and cattles weighing 1 000 lbs (450 kg). These info has been published in scientific books like wild cats of the world of sunqvists and some articles. I do not know any scientific record on the hunting performance of Sumatran tiger but as far as I know they can kill Indian/Malayan tapir which weigh up to 400 kg, they kill bantengs (if adults, then more than 600 kg) and gaurs but I am not sure if they are the largest examples of this species. So there is no very big difference between their prey weights.
I doubt they're big enough to kill Gaurs, the largest prey here they'd be able to take is the Banteng, considering the Tigers average 100-140kg.
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They are hunting gaurs too. But I am not sure about the age of their prey...It is very hard for a big cat weighing 120 150 kg to kill a fully grown male or female gaur...
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A scientific article from: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1469-7998.2011.00801.x/pdf



Sumatran tiger–prey interaction

Large carnivore habitat selection should focus on the most profitable patches, where the lowest levels of energy are
expended on searching for and then capturing the largest bodied prey with the least risk (Stephens & Krebs, 1987; Scognamillo et al., 2003; Carbone, Teacher & Rowcliffe, 2007). Thus, the Sumatran tiger would be predicted to select
sambar (185–260 kg) and tapir (250–540 kg, Boonsong & McNeely, 1988). For sambar, which appeared to be less common in the KS study areas, there were insufficient datato determine activity patterns confidently. However, similarly
designed camera-trap studies from southern Sumatra and Peninsular Malaysia found sambar to have predominantly
crepuscular activity patterns (T. O’Brien, unpubl. data; Laidlaw & Shaharuddin, 1998). The high overlap between tiger and muntjac in our study was strong because both species exhibited peaks of activity around dawn and dusk.

To date, evidence of interactions between tiger and tapir is limited to photographic records of tiger attacks on tapir
and speculation over the tapir’s status as a prey species (Lynam, 1999; Holden, Yanuar & Martyr, 2003). Even
though the tapir was frequently photographed and along trails used by tiger, our analysis found only a low level of temporal overlap; tapir was predominantly nocturnal. Thus, the lack of a tiger–tapir interaction may be because tapir is
not a principal prey species, and this lack of relationship is suggested from Malaysia where overlap was low (Kawanishi & Sunquist, 2004). This is surprising because the Bengal tiger, which although larger than the Sumatran tiger (adult
males of 180–258 and 100–140 kg, respectively, Nowell & Jackson, 1996), typically kills not only large prey (4176 kg)
especially adult sambar but also occasionally adult male gaur Bos gaurus, which can attain an upper body mass of
1000 kg (Karanth & Sunquist, 1995; Andheria, Karanth & Kumar, 2007). Malayan tapir should not, therefore, be too
large for a Sumatran tiger to kill.

An alternative explanation for the lack of positive tiger– tapir interaction may be the effect of predation risk on the
prey. The ‘ecology of fear’ concept states that prey modify their behaviour by striking a balance for their need to forage against their need to avoid predators (Brown, Laundre & Gurung, 1999). Consequently, this trade-off may result in the avoidance of food-rich habitat patches, either spatially or temporally, which remain unoccupied by prey species if
these patches also have significantly higher predation risks.

Such risk has been shown to affect physiological and demographic patterns of elk, Cervus elaphus preyed on by grey wolves, Canis lupus (Creel et al., 2007) and spatial patterns of bighorn sheep, Ovis canadensis, avoiding open habitats that provide greater visibility for pumas, Puma concolor (Altendorf et al., 2001). As no studies exist of Malayan tapir temporal patterns in areas without tiger, we speculate that the tapir’s strong nocturnal activity patterns is advantageous for avoiding its only predator in KSNP the tiger.

In comparison with the tapir, the pig-tailed macaque had an overall overlap coefficient almost identical to that of tapir, but in contrast was strongly diurnal, with significant activity occurring in the middle of the day, which is also the hottest time of the day. During this period, tiger activity was low, presumably because the species was resting. The limited data for wild pig suggest that it is also strongly diurnal (Laidlaw & Shaharuddin, 1998). Finally, there were several other putative prey species recorded in KSNP, argus pheasant Argusianus argus, mouse deer Tragulus spp., porcupine Hystrix brachyura and bearded pig Sus barbatus that may have influenced tiger temporal patterns. However, these
were not included in the study as they were not considered to represent principal prey species because of their smaller
body size (Karanth & Sunquist, 1995; O’Brien et al., 2003) or, in the case of the migratory bearded pig, an irregular
food source.

Ideally, tiger scat samples would have been collected for a dietary analysis of prey species composition, but scats are notoriously difficult to collect in tropical forests, because of low tiger population densities and high scat decay rates, and
none were encountered during our field surveys. However, in the absence of difficult-to-collect dietary data, it is also
valuable to demonstrate the temporal relationships, as conducted in this study, to provide new and much needed insights into Sumatran tiger–prey interactions. The methodology used here has wide application, especially for futurestatistical studies of predator–prey interactions or interspecific species competition.
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Cains Warrior
Apr 10 2013, 07:54 AM
read what I quoted
Again where? I don't see any links.
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May 12 2013, 12:01 AM
Cains Warrior
Apr 10 2013, 07:54 AM
read what I quoted
Again where? I don't see any links.
odd click me for a topic that links you to the doc
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Apr 8 2013, 03:33 AM
Have you ever seen a bengal tiger next to a Sumatran? The difference is staggering. Watch "the temple of tigers". They had to keep the Bengal tiger in it's own cage, because it was bullying the smaller Sumatran tigers. Not to mention, Bengals are also more aggressive.

So an example of a Captive Bengal Tiger "bullying" a Captive Sumatran Tiger 1/2 it's size means that the Sumatran Tiger is inferior on a lb for lb basis???

Bigger animals bully smaller animals so obviously the larger Bengal would bully the smaller Sumatran. Lb for lb is a completely different thing entirely not to mention you're basing your "more aggressive" claim off of captive animals.
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May 14 2013, 04:40 PM
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Apr 8 2013, 03:33 AM
Have you ever seen a bengal tiger next to a Sumatran? The difference is staggering. Watch "the temple of tigers". They had to keep the Bengal tiger in it's own cage, because it was bullying the smaller Sumatran tigers. Not to mention, Bengals are also more aggressive.

So an example of a Captive Bengal Tiger "bullying" a Captive Sumatran Tiger 1/2 it's size means that the Sumatran Tiger is inferior on a lb for lb basis???

Bigger animals bully smaller animals so obviously the larger Bengal would bully the smaller Sumatran. Lb for lb is a completely different thing entirely not to mention you're basing your "more aggressive" claim off of captive animals.
The tigers in the doc are Indochinese not sumatran!
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May 12 2013, 12:01 AM
Cains Warrior
Apr 10 2013, 07:54 AM
read what I quoted
Again where? I don't see any links.
I mean I put that I said Indochinese instead of indoashian
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Apr 8 2013, 02:27 PM
Either way, guess where those tigers are from??? SUMATRA!!! They didn't really form a truce, LOL. The Bengal was being hyper aggressive , and they didn't want it to hurt the other tigers.

Regardless, how do you claim that a Sumatran tiger is the strongest p4p? That's a random claim. If you wanna say, because they can climb trees, yeah, because they're the smallest of the bunch.
they just accepted the hierchy and the Bengal became dominate male
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here is the doc
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Edited by Canis Warrior, Oct 7 2013, 11:33 AM.
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Canis Warrior, could you please use the "edit" function? For example the documentary link could have been brought into an earlier post.
Edited by Jinfengopteryx, May 18 2013, 03:25 PM.
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no.
one of the best tigers yes.
but leopards and jaguars will be able to kill it
they are not as strong as bengal tigers
they are way less because of weight and they are the same pound per pound.
what predator on sumatra is 200 pounds plus?
tell me please...
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No!!! Its the cheetah cause I saud so!
It has longer legs
It has a much muscular tail
No one is gonna change my mind realmad
Seriously, tell me a cat who can go as fast....
Edited by Nergigante, Dec 20 2016, 04:04 AM.
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