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Topic Started: Apr 7 2013, 11:56 PM (19,738 Views)
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Lycaon
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Apr 8 2013, 03:48 AM
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whilst 3 or 4 mastiffs would be a good detterent, in a fight the mastiff would usually come off worse.
Remember the fat bull mastiff that sent a larger cougar running up the hill after fighting it?
If I remember correctly the dog blindsided the cougar and sent it packing, an impressive feat but I think if the cougar had stuck around the mastiff would have been in for trouble, cougars seem to do fine killing large LGDS, and I've owned a bullmastiff and they'e got the brawn and the guts to go for a cougar, maybe even rough it up a bit but I don't think they'll be finishing the fight without a weight advantage. Surely the dog would have been in trouble, but not without doing a number on the feline first. If the owner had mastiff breeds instead the results would have been very different.
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Apr 8 2013, 03:51 AM
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whilst 3 or 4 mastiffs would be a good detterent, in a fight the mastiff would usually come off worse.
Remember the fat bull mastiff that sent a larger cougar running up the hill after fighting it?
If I remember correctly the dog blindsided the cougar and sent it packing, an impressive feat but I think if the cougar had stuck around the mastiff would have been in for trouble, cougars seem to do fine killing large LGDS, and I've owned a bullmastiff and they'e got the brawn and the guts to go for a cougar, maybe even rough it up a bit but I don't think they'll be finishing the fight without a weight advantage.
Surely the dog would have been in trouble, but not without doing a number on the feline first. If the owner had mastiff breeds instead the results would have been very different. Do you mean if there had been multiple mastiffs? Well, yeah of course things would have gone different, a pack of bullmastiffs on the attack is a frightening prospect for most animals.
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Apr 8 2013, 04:30 AM
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That's just grizzly, she really should get a bigger dog, like an Ovcharka or Mastiff, they could protect her.
protect her? I think the dogs attacked the cougar and learned the hard way. Buying a Mastiff isn't a good idea, a mastiff is expensiv, losing this dog would be very expensiv.
Those dogs were not LGDs or specially trained, A male Ovcharka or Mastiff should weigh more than a male Cougar than average, with bite, stamina, and weight as an advantage. The Cougar would have strength, and could damage them, but 2-3 could definitely kill or ward them off.
Agree, but I've heard enough stories of lone LGDS being killed by cougars to know how a one on one fight would go, also I think there was an article posted in which a cougar attacked two anatolians, killing one and wounding the other. That's sort of believable, Cougars are very impressive cats anyway. I think there was a case of 4 Wolves killing 11 Lgds before, I'l try and find it.
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Apr 8 2013, 04:31 AM
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That's just grizzly, she really should get a bigger dog, like an Ovcharka or Mastiff, they could protect her.
Did you see the dog's head laying on the ground? Did you see a body attached to the head? Dogs can't do that to a big cat. Random medium sized pet dog=/=Specially trained Mastiff or Ovcharka.
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Apr 8 2013, 05:10 AM
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I don't get why everyone thinks a lgd killing a wolf, cougar or leopard by itself Is fake yet no one questions cougar killing multiple lgd or similar at the same time..... dahell is going on?
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Apr 8 2013, 05:16 AM
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I don't get why everyone thinks a lgd killing a wolf, cougar or leopard by itself Is fake yet no one questions cougar killing multiple lgd or similar at the same time..... dahell is going on? Well, do you have reports of LGDS killing cougars, I have lots of reports of cougars killing lone LGDS and one report of a cougar killing an LGD and severely wounding the other, I believe that one because the dogs owner tried to file for wolf attack compensation, but the state wildlife biologist who came out concluded the attack was carried out by a cougar. Like I always say, the reason people rarely put under scrutiny cougar killing dogs or wolves is because we have multiple reports of cougars doing so, and there are hardly any verifiable reports of dogs or wolves killing cougars.
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Apr 8 2013, 05:19 AM
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I don't get why everyone thinks a lgd killing a wolf, cougar or leopard by itself Is fake yet no one questions cougar killing multiple lgd or similar at the same time..... dahell is going on?
Well, do you have reports of LGDS killing cougars, I have lots of reports of cougars killing lone LGDS and one report of a cougar killing an LGD and severely wounding the other, I believe that one because the dogs owner tried to file for wolf attack compensation, but the state wildlife biologist who came out concluded the attack was carried out by a cougar. Like I always say, the reason people rarely put under scrutiny cougar killing dogs or wolves is because we have multiple reports of cougars doing so, and there are hardly any verifiable reports of dogs or wolves killing cougars. How many of those reports of Cougars killing Wolves not been anecdotal or A young or unaware Wolf? The only reason Cougars haven't been reported killed by single Wolves is because they are such good escapists, and can climb trees, scare them off, or hide amongst the trees.
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Apr 8 2013, 05:22 AM
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I don't get why everyone thinks a lgd killing a wolf, cougar or leopard by itself Is fake yet no one questions cougar killing multiple lgd or similar at the same time..... dahell is going on?
Well, do you have reports of LGDS killing cougars, I have lots of reports of cougars killing lone LGDS and one report of a cougar killing an LGD and severely wounding the other, I believe that one because the dogs owner tried to file for wolf attack compensation, but the state wildlife biologist who came out concluded the attack was carried out by a cougar. Like I always say, the reason people rarely put under scrutiny cougar killing dogs or wolves is because we have multiple reports of cougars doing so, and there are hardly any verifiable reports of dogs or wolves killing cougars.
How many of those reports of Cougars killing Wolves not been anecdotal or A young or unaware Wolf? The only reason Cougars haven't been reported killed by single Wolves is because they are such good escapists, and can climb trees, scare them off, or hide amongst the trees. Take it too wolf vs cougar thread Scythian... I originally posted this video just too show the perils of living in cougar country, I don't want another stupid, "wolf can kill adult cougar but they don't because cougars are cowards and wolves are awesome they weigh 92 kg on average" arguments with you, we have a thread for that.
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Apr 8 2013, 05:22 AM
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I don't get why everyone thinks a lgd killing a wolf, cougar or leopard by itself Is fake yet no one questions cougar killing multiple lgd or similar at the same time..... dahell is going on?
Well, do you have reports of LGDS killing cougars, I have lots of reports of cougars killing lone LGDS and one report of a cougar killing an LGD and severely wounding the other, I believe that one because the dogs owner tried to file for wolf attack compensation, but the state wildlife biologist who came out concluded the attack was carried out by a cougar. Like I always say, the reason people rarely put under scrutiny cougar killing dogs or wolves is because we have multiple reports of cougars doing so, and there are hardly any verifiable reports of dogs or wolves killing cougars. Im just saying. People act like the worlds ending when someone says a LGD has killed a solitary predator like a wolf or cougar solo. Its not impossible. Most LGDs are on avg bigger than both a wolf or cougar anyways
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Apr 8 2013, 05:24 AM
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I don't get why everyone thinks a lgd killing a wolf, cougar or leopard by itself Is fake yet no one questions cougar killing multiple lgd or similar at the same time..... dahell is going on?
Well, do you have reports of LGDS killing cougars, I have lots of reports of cougars killing lone LGDS and one report of a cougar killing an LGD and severely wounding the other, I believe that one because the dogs owner tried to file for wolf attack compensation, but the state wildlife biologist who came out concluded the attack was carried out by a cougar. Like I always say, the reason people rarely put under scrutiny cougar killing dogs or wolves is because we have multiple reports of cougars doing so, and there are hardly any verifiable reports of dogs or wolves killing cougars.
Im just saying. People act like the worlds ending when someone says a LGD has killed a solitary predator like a wolf or cougar solo. Its not impossible. I agree it's not impossible, but I think me and you both know that LGDS tend to come off second best in confrontations with wolves and cougars.
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Apr 8 2013, 05:25 AM
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I don't get why everyone thinks a lgd killing a wolf, cougar or leopard by itself Is fake yet no one questions cougar killing multiple lgd or similar at the same time..... dahell is going on?
Well, do you have reports of LGDS killing cougars, I have lots of reports of cougars killing lone LGDS and one report of a cougar killing an LGD and severely wounding the other, I believe that one because the dogs owner tried to file for wolf attack compensation, but the state wildlife biologist who came out concluded the attack was carried out by a cougar. Like I always say, the reason people rarely put under scrutiny cougar killing dogs or wolves is because we have multiple reports of cougars doing so, and there are hardly any verifiable reports of dogs or wolves killing cougars.
Im just saying. People act like the worlds ending when someone says a LGD has killed a solitary predator like a wolf or cougar solo. Its not impossible.
I agree it's not impossible, but I think me and you both know that LGDS tend to come off second best in confrontations with wolves and cougars. Never heard of a CO getting beat up by a wolf or cougar
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Apr 8 2013, 05:28 AM
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I don't get why everyone thinks a lgd killing a wolf, cougar or leopard by itself Is fake yet no one questions cougar killing multiple lgd or similar at the same time..... dahell is going on?
Well, do you have reports of LGDS killing cougars, I have lots of reports of cougars killing lone LGDS and one report of a cougar killing an LGD and severely wounding the other, I believe that one because the dogs owner tried to file for wolf attack compensation, but the state wildlife biologist who came out concluded the attack was carried out by a cougar. Like I always say, the reason people rarely put under scrutiny cougar killing dogs or wolves is because we have multiple reports of cougars doing so, and there are hardly any verifiable reports of dogs or wolves killing cougars.
Im just saying. People act like the worlds ending when someone says a LGD has killed a solitary predator like a wolf or cougar solo. Its not impossible.
I agree it's not impossible, but I think me and you both know that LGDS tend to come off second best in confrontations with wolves and cougars.
Never heard of a CO getting beat up by a wolf or cougar Never heard of a CO beating up a north american wolf or cougar either
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Apr 8 2013, 05:39 AM
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Exactly so you can't say it's obvious LGDs come off second best
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Apr 8 2013, 05:48 AM
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I don't get why everyone thinks a lgd killing a wolf, cougar or leopard by itself Is fake yet no one questions cougar killing multiple lgd or similar at the same time..... dahell is going on?
Well, do you have reports of LGDS killing cougars, I have lots of reports of cougars killing lone LGDS and one report of a cougar killing an LGD and severely wounding the other, I believe that one because the dogs owner tried to file for wolf attack compensation, but the state wildlife biologist who came out concluded the attack was carried out by a cougar. Like I always say, the reason people rarely put under scrutiny cougar killing dogs or wolves is because we have multiple reports of cougars doing so, and there are hardly any verifiable reports of dogs or wolves killing cougars.
How many of those reports of Cougars killing Wolves not been anecdotal or A young or unaware Wolf? The only reason Cougars haven't been reported killed by single Wolves is because they are such good escapists, and can climb trees, scare them off, or hide amongst the trees.
Take it too wolf vs cougar thread Scythian... I originally posted this video just too show the perils of living in cougar country, I don't want another stupid, "wolf can kill adult cougar but they don't because cougars are cowards and wolves are awesome they weigh 92 kg on average" arguments with you, we have a thread for that. You seem to think I care about this video, I really don't, you mentioned there being many accounts of Cougars killing Wolves, yet I fail to find them. I already said a Cougar would win against a wolf on average, as it has a weight advantage by miles, although at parity I favor the Wolf. I misread the info, I don't need conformation of it.
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Apr 8 2013, 05:57 AM
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He said them killing dogs..... not wolves.... well. . Mainly he did.
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