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Mountain Lion attacks dogs
Topic Started: Apr 7 2013, 11:56 PM (19,737 Views)
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Apr 8 2013, 05:39 AM
Exactly so you can't say it's obvious LGDs come off second best :P
That particular LGD no I can't, but wolves and cougars have killed Anatolian, great Pyrenees, maremas, all large LGD, I have no accounts of any of these dogs killing a wolf or cougar, though i'm sure they could under the right circumstances. I'm usually the first one to say in a debate that a wolf vs LGD fight isn't totally one sided in the wolfs favor, I know a decent enough kangal, CO or CAO has the right stuff to kill a north American wolf, frankly I'm surprised your backing the LGD so much, I thought you were a wolf fan truth be told lol
Edited by Full Throttle, Apr 8 2013, 06:05 AM.
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Apr 8 2013, 06:03 AM
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Apr 8 2013, 05:39 AM
Exactly so you can't say it's obvious LGDs come off second best :P
That particular LGD no I can't, but wolves and cougars have killed Anatolian, great Pyrenees, maremas, all large LGD, I have no accounts of any of these dogs killing a wolf or cougar, though i'm sure they could under the right circumstances. I'm usually the first one to say in a debate that a wolf vs LGD fight isn't totally one sided in the wolfs favor, I know a decent enough kangal, CO or CAO has the right stuff to kill a north American wolf, frankly I'm surprised your backing the LGD so much, I thought you were a wolf fan truth be told lol
Believe me I used to be when I first joined lol but now i've loosened up on the matter. Anyways I think I can agree with your post for now at least.
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I did watch a video of a Dogo pwning a Puma. I'm sure the Puma was declawed though.
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The way its face looked afterwards I highly doubt it was declawed....
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Apr 8 2013, 06:40 AM
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Apr 8 2013, 06:03 AM
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Apr 8 2013, 05:39 AM
Exactly so you can't say it's obvious LGDs come off second best :P
That particular LGD no I can't, but wolves and cougars have killed Anatolian, great Pyrenees, maremas, all large LGD, I have no accounts of any of these dogs killing a wolf or cougar, though i'm sure they could under the right circumstances. I'm usually the first one to say in a debate that a wolf vs LGD fight isn't totally one sided in the wolfs favor, I know a decent enough kangal, CO or CAO has the right stuff to kill a north American wolf, frankly I'm surprised your backing the LGD so much, I thought you were a wolf fan truth be told lol
Believe me I used to be when I first joined lol but now i've loosened up on the matter. Anyways I think I can agree with your post for now at least.
Fair enough lol i'm not a "fan" of anything really, the wolf is my favorite animal but I don't let my own personal opinions cloud my judgement, I base my answers to debates on the evidence provided to me, that's why I don't really comment on debates that involve animals I have little knowledge off, like paleontology and marine stuff.

And also on the topic of dogo vs puma, in the words of renonwed puma hunter Antonio Nores Martinez: "In Argentina, there is a specialist dog breed, the Dogo argentino, whom was bred as a catch dog for both Boar and Puma.

Both in testing in a pen for young dogs before being brought into the woods ("Prueba de Campo"... "Proof of courage") as well as in actual hunting, a single Dogo has mastered and killed a single Puma many times.

One must keep in mind that these encounters usually result in extreme injury to the dog even if he comes away victorious.

In testing, the dog would not kill the cat, but master it to the ground. When the cat shows signs of submission, he would be split from the dog and the test concluded.
n hunting, the dog sometimes does finish the Puma, sometimes the hunter does.

One should keep in mind however, that Argentina's Pumas and North America's Mountain Lions are not nearly of the same size, the North American counterpart being significantly larger."

Edited by Full Throttle, Apr 8 2013, 07:47 AM.
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:huh: wow..........
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Apr 8 2013, 07:43 AM
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Apr 8 2013, 06:40 AM
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Apr 8 2013, 06:03 AM
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Apr 8 2013, 05:39 AM
Exactly so you can't say it's obvious LGDs come off second best :P
That particular LGD no I can't, but wolves and cougars have killed Anatolian, great Pyrenees, maremas, all large LGD, I have no accounts of any of these dogs killing a wolf or cougar, though i'm sure they could under the right circumstances. I'm usually the first one to say in a debate that a wolf vs LGD fight isn't totally one sided in the wolfs favor, I know a decent enough kangal, CO or CAO has the right stuff to kill a north American wolf, frankly I'm surprised your backing the LGD so much, I thought you were a wolf fan truth be told lol
Believe me I used to be when I first joined lol but now i've loosened up on the matter. Anyways I think I can agree with your post for now at least.
Fair enough lol i'm not a "fan" of anything really, the wolf is my favorite animal but I don't let my own personal opinions cloud my judgement, I base my answers to debates on the evidence provided to me, that's why I don't really comment on debates that involve animals I have little knowledge off, like paleontology and marine stuff.

And also on the topic of dogo vs puma, in the words of renonwed puma hunter Antonio Nores Martinez: "In Argentina, there is a specialist dog breed, the Dogo argentino, whom was bred as a catch dog for both Boar and Puma.

Both in testing in a pen for young dogs before being brought into the woods ("Prueba de Campo"... "Proof of courage") as well as in actual hunting, a single Dogo has mastered and killed a single Puma many times.

One must keep in mind that these encounters usually result in extreme injury to the dog even if he comes away victorious.

In testing, the dog would not kill the cat, but master it to the ground. When the cat shows signs of submission, he would be split from the dog and the test concluded.
n hunting, the dog sometimes does finish the Puma, sometimes the hunter does.

One should keep in mind however, that Argentina's Pumas and North America's Mountain Lions are not nearly of the same size, the North American counterpart being significantly larger."

I've seen 2 videos of Dogos destroying Pumas.

First one was a 1 on 1. 2nd one, it was a group of Dogos, and 2 pumas. Both times, the Pumas were getting punked pretty bad.
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Apr 8 2013, 08:09 AM
:huh: wow..........
wow what?
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ha ha people still think a Dogo can kill an adult Puma...... lol
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Apr 8 2013, 03:23 AM
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Apr 8 2013, 02:09 AM
Meh, like one of the comments stated - I'm pretty sure the dogs were the ones that probably attacked the puma first. Dogs are asshole animals. I have no sympathy for this person. Sad to hear that the cat was shot and killed for following its natural instincts.
The dogs would have been following their natural instincts, instincts that helped forward humans from hunters and gathers to the dominant mammals today.
Usually when dogs confront a mountain lion to attack, the cat hauls ass in a tree. Cougars do typical assult when no one was looking.

Poor for both cougar and dogs.
Sometimes that doesn't help

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Apr 8 2013, 10:10 AM
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Apr 8 2013, 03:23 AM
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Apr 8 2013, 02:09 AM
Meh, like one of the comments stated - I'm pretty sure the dogs were the ones that probably attacked the puma first. Dogs are asshole animals. I have no sympathy for this person. Sad to hear that the cat was shot and killed for following its natural instincts.
The dogs would have been following their natural instincts, instincts that helped forward humans from hunters and gathers to the dominant mammals today.
Usually when dogs confront a mountain lion to attack, the cat hauls ass in a tree. Cougars do typical assult when no one was looking.

Poor for both cougar and dogs.
Sometimes that doesn't help

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Speaking of Mountain Lions I am going to go see a dead one today. Fish and Game are really lax so I might be able to take a photo before they take it away and do a few tests on it. If I do I will post them here.
One of the lions had the bubonic plague.
Edited by Lycaon, Apr 8 2013, 10:17 AM.
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Apr 8 2013, 09:55 AM
ha ha people still think a Dogo can kill an adult Puma...... lol
I assume your referring to my post so I'll make it brief.

1. I don't favor a dogo over a puma
2. That was post was too show that dogos on occasion have killed pumas, though always with serious injury
3. I found it interesting that even men who owned puma killing dogos felt that there dog would stand no chance against against a North American cougar, an opinion I agree with.
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Apr 8 2013, 10:21 AM
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Apr 8 2013, 09:55 AM
ha ha people still think a Dogo can kill an adult Puma...... lol
I assume your referring to my post so I'll make it brief.

1. I don't favor a dogo over a puma
2. That was post was too show that dogos on occasion have killed pumas, though always with serious injury
3. I found it interesting that even men who owned puma killing dogos felt that there dog would stand no chance against against a North American cougar, an opinion I agree with.
If you say any animal has killed a cat felinepowah would deny it regardless lol I guess he never saw the videos. Here's a pic of one dogo after it killed a puma in a cage match. Before felinepowah starts crying and denying a fair fight he should know the puma wasn't declawed (obviously) and both weighed near the same (dogo fought a South American cougar)
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That wounds inflicted by the dogo resemble this clawing made by a leopard on village dogs.
Edited by Lycaon, Apr 9 2013, 02:13 PM.
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