Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Welcome to Carnivora. We hope you enjoy your visit.


You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free.


Join our community!


If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features:

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
What do you want to see in JP4?
Topic Started: Apr 12 2013, 10:26 PM (11,428 Views)
Full Throttle
Member Avatar
Apex Predator
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Alright everybody, I'm not a paleontologist by any means but I am a lover of movies, and the Jurassic park franchise is one of my favorites, and I know a fair few of you all feel the same way, not a day goes by were someone isn't posting on what they want the film to be like, who they want to be cast in it and, most importantly which dinosaurs they want to see.

So I thought I'd make a thread so we could all post what dinosaurs we want to see in JP4 and why, I'm sure your dinosaur experts will drum up some great, obscure dinosaurs that I've never even heard of but here's the dinosaurs I'd personally like to see in JP4.

Posted Image

1. The nocturnal, venomous troodon from JP the game. I know if these are the new dinosaurs in the film some people will probably feel cheated because they are small and they've already been featured in the video game. But personally, I love the design and the idea behind these things, nocturnal, pack hunting, venomous predators with eerie glowing eyes, that is a great concept. I think these particular dinosaurs could be used very effectively in the film, if theirs one movie franchise I love it's horror, and horror is one of the most popular genres today. Just look at the success of all the horror movies to come out recently, to me, the idea of these glowing eyed troodon lunging out at people in the dead of night or in a dark enclosed space is really cool and good for jump scares, and movies that make you jump are the ones that say with you the longest, the original JP new this and made use of it in the scene with the velociraptors in the control room you need a fear element to work with the adventure element to make a truly memorable film, and the troodon fits the bill perfectly.

Posted Image

2. Allosaurus. This is probably the theropod everyone wants to see in this movie, and I can see why. It's just a cool animal, not as big or as powerful as the the tyrannosaurs but still fast enough to run a jeep off the road, I think the addition of a new giant theropod would be welcomed and if they're going to pick any, why not the one the fans are demanding to see? To be honest, theirs probably more giant theropods that I don't know about that could provide an even better candidate, so I'm not really bothered what species the new giant theropod is, as long as it doesn't diminish T.rexes screen time, I'm happy.

Posted Image

3. Tyrannosaurs Rex. T.rex was my favorite dinosaur when I was a kid and it was everyone elses too, for one reason, Jurassic park. Jurassic park 1 & 2 took an already popular dinosaur and turned it into a superstar. T.rex is the poster child of the franchise, 80% of the people going to watch jurassic park are going for the T.rex, and why shouldn't they love him? T.rex in jurassic parkwas the epitome of cool, and he needs to be restored to his former glory. Don't get me wrong, I liked the spinosaurs in JP3, I thought it made a great addition and it was an awesome animal, but I don't think it should become a trend that the new theropod completely overshadows the T.rex, change is fine but come on, it's the T.rex!! A new dinosaur would be great and revitalize the franchise, but the public want's to see T.rex eating people, smashing down buildings, crushing cars and just generally bringing the pain. So give em what they want, make T.rex like he was in the first two films, so awesome that you were expecting it to bust out of the screen and wreck your whole neighbourhood.

Those are the ones I'd most like to see, thoroughly explained. To be honest, I can't see more than one species being introduced effectively because of pacing of the film and money issues, but if they do at least one of the three things I posted I think the movie will be a success, at least to me anyway.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Replies:
Temnospondyl
Stegocephalia specialist.
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
I think they could show T Rex, Spinosaurus and Ekrixinatosaurus - all 3 are so awesome!
But I really don't want any allosaurs in JP4. Let's leave Ceratosaurus alone without this too liked animal!
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
7Alx
Member Avatar
Herbivore
[ *  *  *  * ]
Dinopithecus
Apr 14 2013, 01:47 AM
2 hours? Who said the movie's going to be confined to that kind of time? I realize that most movies have a duration of 2 hours, but for all we know, Jurassic Park 4 could very well be longer (or shorter). And who says we can't fit a lot of animals, "character development", "sophisticated plot", and "fast rhythm action scenes" all into one movie? Put a fraction of the animals into one scene, another fraction into another, and keep this going. It's not that hard. Instead of one or two animals into one scene, why not have several of them? Bottom line, we could very well fit many animals into one movie.
I doubt that it will be more than 3 hours. And there will not certainly that much dinosaurs. "200" dinosaur genus in one movie?? Would it be good idea??? Hell no.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Carcharadon
Member Avatar
Shark Toothed Reptile
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Unfortunately my list had way too much so i will have to change it due to comments above.


Anyways these are the dinos i want to see that have not appeared in any of the three movies yet
Allosaurus (imo it should be the main antagonist)
Posted Image

Utahraptor
Posted Image

Carcharodontosaurus
Posted Image

Iguanodon
Posted Image

Diplodocus
Posted Image

Carnotaurus
Posted Image

Metriacanthosaurus
Posted Image
Edited by Carcharadon, Apr 15 2013, 08:17 AM.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Ausar
Member Avatar
Xi-miqa-can! Xi-miqa-can! Xi-miqa-can!
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
7Alx
Apr 15 2013, 03:44 AM
Dinopithecus
Apr 14 2013, 01:47 AM
2 hours? Who said the movie's going to be confined to that kind of time? I realize that most movies have a duration of 2 hours, but for all we know, Jurassic Park 4 could very well be longer (or shorter). And who says we can't fit a lot of animals, "character development", "sophisticated plot", and "fast rhythm action scenes" all into one movie? Put a fraction of the animals into one scene, another fraction into another, and keep this going. It's not that hard. Instead of one or two animals into one scene, why not have several of them? Bottom line, we could very well fit many animals into one movie.
I doubt that it will be more than 3 hours. And there will not certainly that much dinosaurs. "200" dinosaur genus in one movie?? Would it be good idea??? Hell no.
I realize you were exaggerating when you said "200 dinosaur genera", but why not just only show some of these dinosaurs for a brief moment like Ceratosaurus in JP3? Now I realize that's not really showing them, but I don't see why not. But if they really only want a number of dinosaurs that could be counted one both hands without reusing them, fine. If they were to do something like that, here's what I think should be in it.




  • - Sauroniops
    - Troodon
    - Tyrannosaurus
    - Triceratops
    - Stegosaurus
    - Deinosuchus and/or Sarcosuchus
    - A genus of hadrosaur
Edited by Ausar, Apr 15 2013, 08:36 AM.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Big G
Herbivore
[ *  *  *  * ]
Dark allosaurus
Apr 15 2013, 08:16 AM
Unfortunately my list had way too much so i will have to change it due to comments above.


Anyways these are the dinos i want to see that have not appeared in any of the three movies yet
Allosaurus (imo it should be the main antagonist)
Posted Image

Utahraptor
Posted Image

Carcharodontosaurus
Posted Image

Iguanodon
Posted Image

Diplodocus
Posted Image

Carnotaurus
Posted Image

Metriacanthosaurus
Posted Image
It would not make sense to put as a main antagonist Allosaurus, when there is an animal around 2 meters more - or perhaps more - and four tons heavier than an Allosaurus (I mean the Carcharodontosaurus).
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Monitor X
Autotrophic Organism
[ *  * ]
coherentsheaf
Apr 14 2013, 05:12 AM
Monitor X
Apr 14 2013, 05:02 AM
coherentsheaf
Apr 14 2013, 03:19 AM
brolyeuphyfusion
Apr 14 2013, 02:01 AM
coherentsheaf
Apr 14 2013, 01:41 AM
brolyeuphyfusion
Apr 13 2013, 03:36 PM
DinosaurMichael
Apr 13 2013, 08:31 AM
Main animal in Jurassic Park 4 still should be Predator X honestly.
You keep keeping that laughable idea, no offense, but just stay out of deep water and Pliosaurus funkei is not a threat.
Hm, just because a movie monster would be easy to avoid in real life you it does not mean you can not make a movie about it. In fact every threat in jurassic park could in real life be neutralized by a decent rifle coupled with reasonable marksmanship.
The issue is that merely being on land, where Jurassic Park is, would by default neutralize the threat of Pliosaurus funkei.

Also, it would be hard to get good shots in the situations the JP characters were in, the dinosaurs don't charge right at them in the open.
The raptors would have been dead if Grant had not randomly emptied his bullets after the scene where they try to push in the door or if the stpid gun was not out of reach in this scene or if the boy would have give the gun to grant in this scene, or in many other scenes if the protagonists jus had ifles. Similarly if someone in the cars had a rifle t-rey wuld have been dead in its first scene. The opportunities where the dinosaur would have die if the humans had a rifle and used it properly would hae been legion.
In The Lost World, the hunters are amred with guns and rifles and we see them trying to use it when they are chased by the Tyrex, with no effect. Only the character Roland Tembo has the rilfle and the ammo to subdue an adult Tyrex, but his rifle is sabotaged by Nick Van Owen.

Let's try to not underestimate dinos resilience, killing a large African mammal is not that easy and already require specific weapons and ammo.
You think the men specifically armed for the job in the lost world and jurassic park would not have ammo good enough to kill dinosaurs ... yeah sure. There is a reasn why homo sapiens is the most dominant species on the planet. Btw poacher with bad equipment have little problem killing elephants - they just have to aim better and take more shots.
If you look carefully the movie, they are caught in ambushes in a manner very realistic and plausible. The Tyrex pair attacks them at night and causes panick, most are armed with light weapons, only their boss was supposed to face the rexes. They just have to flee, I think I would have done the same thing. Also, most of their equipment has been destroyed previously by the great escape of the herbivores. Then, the survivors are taken in a stealthy manner by the raptors in the long grass... There was no exageration about the strength of the dinos in this movie.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Drift
Member Avatar
High Spined Lizard
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
coherentsheaf
Apr 14 2013, 05:12 AM
Monitor X
Apr 14 2013, 05:02 AM
coherentsheaf
Apr 14 2013, 03:19 AM
brolyeuphyfusion
Apr 14 2013, 02:01 AM
coherentsheaf
Apr 14 2013, 01:41 AM
brolyeuphyfusion
Apr 13 2013, 03:36 PM
DinosaurMichael
Apr 13 2013, 08:31 AM
Main animal in Jurassic Park 4 still should be Predator X honestly.
You keep keeping that laughable idea, no offense, but just stay out of deep water and Pliosaurus funkei is not a threat.
Hm, just because a movie monster would be easy to avoid in real life you it does not mean you can not make a movie about it. In fact every threat in jurassic park could in real life be neutralized by a decent rifle coupled with reasonable marksmanship.
The issue is that merely being on land, where Jurassic Park is, would by default neutralize the threat of Pliosaurus funkei.

Also, it would be hard to get good shots in the situations the JP characters were in, the dinosaurs don't charge right at them in the open.
The raptors would have been dead if Grant had not randomly emptied his bullets after the scene where they try to push in the door or if the stpid gun was not out of reach in this scene or if the boy would have give the gun to grant in this scene, or in many other scenes if the protagonists jus had ifles. Similarly if someone in the cars had a rifle t-rey wuld have been dead in its first scene. The opportunities where the dinosaur would have die if the humans had a rifle and used it properly would hae been legion.
In The Lost World, the hunters are amred with guns and rifles and we see them trying to use it when they are chased by the Tyrex, with no effect. Only the character Roland Tembo has the rilfle and the ammo to subdue an adult Tyrex, but his rifle is sabotaged by Nick Van Owen.

Let's try to not underestimate dinos resilience, killing a large African mammal is not that easy and already require specific weapons and ammo.
You think the men specifically armed for the job in the lost world and jurassic park would not have ammo good enough to kill dinosaurs ... yeah sure. There is a reasn why homo sapiens is the most dominant species on the planet. Btw poacher with bad equipment have little problem killing elephants - they just have to aim better and take more shots.
Lets not start the 'humans are the deadliest' its really pointless and only serves to pad egos of those who believe it,Many of the panic ridden men didn;t care to aim they chose to run which is probable
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Temnospondyl
Stegocephalia specialist.
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
I'd like to see:

1.Lophostropheus Airelensis
Posted Image

2.Kelmayisaurus Gigantus
Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
coherentsheaf
Member Avatar
Kleptoparasite
[ *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Monitor X
Apr 17 2013, 10:45 PM
If you look carefully the movie, they are caught in ambushes in a manner very realistic and plausible. The Tyrex pair attacks them at night and causes panick, most are armed with light weapons, only their boss was supposed to face the rexes. They just have to flee, I think I would have done the same thing. Also, most of their equipment has been destroyed previously by the great escape of the herbivores. Then, the survivors are taken in a stealthy manner by the raptors in the long grass... There was no exageration about the strength of the dinos in this movie.
Why would they cause panic? They are not more dangerous than a pride of lions (even less so because of lo top speed). It only takes one hunter to aim, even if the others are in panic. If they have proper ammunition the T. rex would be dead after a shot or two. I do not want to post videos where large mammals are put down by hunters since I find it disgusting, but this does not mean it does not happen.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
coherentsheaf
Member Avatar
Kleptoparasite
[ *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Drift
Apr 18 2013, 10:58 AM
Lets not start the 'humans are the deadliest' its really pointless and only serves to pad egos of those who believe it,Many of the panic ridden men didn;t care to aim they chose to run which is probable
Regardless of ego we are the most capable species in any form of conflict. There is not much debate on this point. A single hunter with a good aim and the humans would have prevailed in that scene. That is not really a strong requirement.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Paleoworld-101
Member Avatar
Unicellular Organism
[ * ]
Would love to see Carcharodontosaurus in this new movie! But i have a feeling it will be the more popular Giganotosaurus that makes an appearance...
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Shaochilong
Member Avatar
Herbivore
[ *  *  *  * ]
Carcharodontosaurus
]Ekrixinatosaurus
Utahraptor
Albertosaurus
Amphicoelias

Edited by Shaochilong, May 1 2013, 10:31 PM.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
theropod
Member Avatar
palaeontology, open source and survival enthusiast
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Some type of giant carnosaur, either a Carcharodontosaur, preferably a typical and very large one like Mapusaurus, Carcharodontosaurus, Giganotosaurus or Tyrannotitan, or an Allosaurid like Saurophaganax. I could imagine a Carcharodontosaur with its bulkier built and larger skull might look even more menacing, even tough a slender, long, speedy but huge predator would also be a cool sight. maybe a gang of giant meat eaters would be the right choice this time.

Of course this time the dromeosaurs have to be feahtered, they just cannot portray them as scaly in the light of evidence. They could make up some genetical explanation why they could evolve them, tough I cannot think of one. And they could clear up that Velociraptor-Deinonychus confusion so that uneducated people don't think of Velociraptor as a 2m tall killing machine.

Then adult Dilophosaurus, this thing wouldn't only look very beutiful but also be a real threath to human beings, and a giant crocodyliform. maybe amphicoelias fragillimus, portrayed as the largest terrestrial animal ever and on par with the largest extant cetaceans.

If it is set in the water, either a giant pliosaur, MoA or P. macromerus seem to be the biggest, as both could be >15m, or, maybe even better should they also use cenozoic animals, Livyatan and C. megalodon, as both would just have such a collossal bulk that would be visually very impressive. Best would of course be all of them...
I can think of an opening scene with a blue whale swimming through the water near the isle, to be then attacked and killed.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
7Alx
Member Avatar
Herbivore
[ *  *  *  * ]
In my opinion putting another mainstream large theropod as main dinosaur wouldn't be good idea. They should put "new" thing, which hasn't been in any movies and dino shows or other one that has appeared pretty rarely.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
SpinoInWonderland
The madness has come back...
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
coherentsheaf
Apr 30 2013, 10:37 PM
Regardless of ego we are the most capable species in any form of conflict. There is not much debate on this point.
I never knew you were Superman coherentsheaf. I hope you're aware that "any form of conflict" includes "natural weapons and physical ability only conflict", and I'm sure that a large dinosaur would destroy any human in that kind of conflict.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)
ZetaBoards - Free Forum Hosting
Enjoy forums? Start your own community for free.
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · Debate & discussion of dinosaur related topics. · Next Topic »
Add Reply

Find this theme on Forum2Forum.net & ZNR exclusively.