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| Sarcosuchus imperator v Carcharodontosaurus saharicus | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 7 2013, 06:38 PM (7,030 Views) | |
| Taipan | Aug 7 2013, 06:38 PM Post #1 |
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Sarcosuchus imperator Sarcosuchus (pronounced /ˌsɑrkɵˈsuːkəs/, meaning 'flesh crocodile' and commonly called "SuperCroc") is an extinct genus of crocodyliform and distant relative of the crocodile that lived 112 Million years ago. It dates from the early Cretaceous Period of what is now Africa and is one of the largest giant crocodile-like reptiles that ever lived. It was almost twice as long as the modern saltwater crocodile and weighed approximately 8 to 10 tonnes. When fully mature, Sarcosuchus is believed to have been as long as a city bus (11.2–12.2 metres or 37–40 ft) and weighed up to 8 tonnes (8.75 tons). The largest living crocodilian, the saltwater crocodile, is less than two-thirds of that length (6.3 meters or 20.6 ft is the longest confirmed individual) and a small fraction of the weight (1,200 kg, or 1.3 tons). The very largest Sarcosuchus is believed to have been the oldest. Osteoderm growth rings taken from an 80% grown individual (based on comparison to largest individual found) suggest that Sarcosuchus kept growing throughout its entire 50–60 year average life span. Modern crocodiles grow at a rapid rate, reaching their adult size in about a decade, then growing more slowly afterward. Its skull alone was as big as a human adult (1.78 m, or 5 ft 10 inches). The upper jaw overlapped the lower jaw, creating an overbite. The jaws were relatively narrow (especially in juveniles). The snout comprises about 75% of the skull's length. ![]() Carcharodontosaurus saharicus This huge meat eater was 45 feet long (5 feet longer than T-rex) and weighed ............? , making it one of the largest carnivores that ever walked the earth. This African carnosaur had a gigantic 5’4" long skull and enormous jaws with 8" long serrated teeth. It walked on two legs, had a massive tail, bulky body and short arms ending in three-fingered hands with sharp claws. Carcharodontosaurus is one of the longest and heaviest known carnivorous dinosaurs, with various scientists proposing length estimates ranging between 12 and 13 m (39-43.5 ft) and weight estimates between 6 and 15 metric tons. Its long, muscular legs, and fossilized trackways indicate that it could run about 20 miles per hour, though there is some controversy as to whether it actually did, a forward fall would have been deadly to Carcharodontosaurus, due to the inability of its small arms to brace the animal when it landed. Carcharodontosaurus was a carnivore, with enormous jaws and long, serrated teeth up to eight inches long. ![]() ___________________________________________________________________________
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| Ausar | Aug 7 2013, 09:01 PM Post #2 |
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Hey, I just realized. This is the only non-dinosaur Carcharodontosaurus has been pitted against in this forum (I think). Let's see. Carcharodontosaurus was I think 8 or 9 tonnes, so weight should not be much of a factor (I believe Sarcosuchus was 8 tonnes). However, the pholidosaurid might have the stronger bite of the two (I believe it was 18,000 pounds, I'll provide a source later). I'm not saying Carcharodontosaurus has a weak bite and I'm not sure how strong it really is either, but I suspect for the moment Sarcosuchus possesses the stronger bite. I also don't know if the teeth and claws of the dinosaur could penetrate the armor of the pholidosaurid. If so, Carcharodontosaurus has a good chance of winning this. Otherwise, Sarcosuchus would win. |
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| Carcharadon | Aug 7 2013, 11:18 PM Post #3 |
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On land i favor carcharodontosaurus, where it is much faster and has far more stamina. Modern crocs tire easily on land, i don't think sarcosuchus would really be different. If i'm not mistaken, didn't carnosaurs have air sacks? If so then carcharodontosaurus has a huge stamina advantage. Sarco probably won't keep up the fight for long as carchar could tire it down, and then i think it could just stomp down hard on its head (crocs have weak jaw-opening muscles, humans could hold their jaws shut with their hands. A carcharodontosaurus's foot stomping onto sarcosuchus's head would be far more powerful than that). It would not be easy at all though. And yea apparently this is the only matchup where carcharodontosaurus is pitted against a non-dinosaurian animal so far, though there could potentially be more in the future. Edited by Carcharadon, Aug 7 2013, 11:20 PM.
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| Godzillasaurus | Aug 8 2013, 12:03 AM Post #4 |
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If you disregard carcharodontosaurus stepping on the sarcosuchus in this fight, I really do not see what it could do. It did not have long forearms like spinosaurus, so the only way that it could kill the sarcosuchus was if it got a good bite on its underbelly. Sarcosuchus wins
This is ALWAYS the argument in a faceoff against a crocodilian. Crocodiles can run up to 30 MPH for short distances (based on some sources). What if the sarcosuchus were to land a good bite on the theropod's leg? It had much more powerful jaws than its opponent, and could easily inflict a lot of damage on its leg and possibly break its bone. Theropods are very overrated when pitted against large crocodilians like sarcosuchus or deinosuchus. Edited by Godzillasaurus, Aug 8 2013, 12:24 AM.
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| Carcharadon | Aug 8 2013, 12:11 AM Post #5 |
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Well i will not disregard it..
Honestly i think it may possibly even bite it on the back of the head, like what tigers were known to do with mugger crocs: ![]() I know a tiger is a bad model for carcharodontosaurus, but like a tiger, carchar is fully terrestrial, and has much more stamina then the crocodile. And before you bring up that "bending down" argument, theropods needed to bend down to eat and drink on a daily basis, so i don't really find this much a problem. Edited by Carcharadon, Aug 8 2013, 12:12 AM.
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| Godzillasaurus | Aug 8 2013, 12:31 AM Post #6 |
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For one, that crocodile wasn't very large and didn't look very healthy. This is what people always use as evidence that tigers can kill crocodiles as big as the Indo-Pacific species (another name for the saltwater crocodile). Secondly, bending down is much more dangerous for a theropod when it is fighting a big and very powerful crocodilian that could easily kill it if it became grounded. Remember, carcharodontosaurus didn't have the most long and powerful forearms. |
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| Carcharadon | Aug 8 2013, 12:54 AM Post #7 |
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I never said it was a saltwater crocodile. And its rather to show that the back of their head is not armored and can be bitten through.
That could be said if carcharodontosaurus was trying to attack it from the front which i don't really find to be likely. It could get from behind and then step on sarco's body, then come down and then it could bite the back of the head (it could also hold on to sarcosuchus by pinning on the crocs sides with its claws, if it was really close enough). Edited by Carcharadon, Aug 8 2013, 12:56 AM.
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| Ausar | Aug 8 2013, 01:06 AM Post #8 |
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Well, can you put up an argument for the crocodile being unhealthy? And remember, this isn't the only time big cats have bitten through the osteoderms of crocodiles. There were some more incidents of this happening, I can post them if you like. I have no real opinion on this matchup now. Edited by Ausar, Aug 8 2013, 08:36 PM.
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| Godzillasaurus | Aug 8 2013, 01:21 AM Post #9 |
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Then the sarcosuchus wouldn't have a hope in hell if the carcharodontosaurus could just step on it. That is why I do not count it in this fight.
Some people on Youtube said something about its skin stretching, which was an indication of dehydration. That croc was small too, and wasn't fighting a biped.
Big cats attacking small crocs, not small cats attacking big crocs. |
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| retic | Aug 8 2013, 01:29 AM Post #10 |
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on land, carcharodontosaurus wns since it is more agile and it has better stamina. in water, sarcosuchus wins since it was better suited for aquatic life than carcharodontosaurus was. |
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| Carcharadon | Aug 8 2013, 01:38 AM Post #11 |
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Carcharodontosaurus would not just stand there and let sarcosuchus bite it on the leg. Sure it could do some damage, but if sarco tried to lunge, then carchy could perhaps dodge it.
That is no good argument to use in this fight. Edited by Carcharadon, Aug 8 2013, 01:40 AM.
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| Godzillasaurus | Aug 8 2013, 01:42 AM Post #12 |
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That is horrible argument; of course an animal wouldn't just sit there while it gets bitten on the leg. It will fight back.
Did I ever say that it was? |
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| Ausar | Aug 8 2013, 01:42 AM Post #13 |
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That was for another incident. And has it ever occurred to you that the skin stretched because the cat was PULLING the skin in its jaws?
They seemed like average sized crocs in some cases. Like the one Carcharodon posted, the one with stretchy skin, and a few others. Though, I'd agree a record specimen Nile or Saltwater crocodile would win to any modern big cat. Edit: ![]() ![]() ![]() So while the kids were at a safe distance the other 2 must have wrestled with the crocs hind legs eventually breaking them while the larger/older female went for the jugular and ripped it open leaving the crocodile with a huge gash exposing tissue, veins, and air tubes. http://bush-kat.blogspot.co.uk/2010/06/hell-hath-no-fury-like-lioness-with.html Edited by Ausar, Aug 8 2013, 01:46 AM.
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| Godzillasaurus | Aug 8 2013, 01:49 AM Post #14 |
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That wasn't my idea. That was on Youtube where people said that, so ask them about it, not me. Crocodiles have thick osteoderms on their neck and back, so it should be a fact that they do not stretch well.
The crocodile shown in his picture was almost smaller than the tiger. So that is not a valid argument. There is nothing interesting to talk about anymore. People keep rehashing the same pictures and videos of the tigers killing small mugger crocodiles, so arguing with them is completely useless. |
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| Carcharadon | Aug 8 2013, 01:55 AM Post #15 |
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And carcharodontosaurus is probably just as large if not larger than sarcosuchus. |
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