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| Taipan | Aug 7 2013, 06:38 PM Post #1 |
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Sarcosuchus imperator Sarcosuchus (pronounced /ˌsɑrkɵˈsuːkəs/, meaning 'flesh crocodile' and commonly called "SuperCroc") is an extinct genus of crocodyliform and distant relative of the crocodile that lived 112 Million years ago. It dates from the early Cretaceous Period of what is now Africa and is one of the largest giant crocodile-like reptiles that ever lived. It was almost twice as long as the modern saltwater crocodile and weighed approximately 8 to 10 tonnes. When fully mature, Sarcosuchus is believed to have been as long as a city bus (11.2–12.2 metres or 37–40 ft) and weighed up to 8 tonnes (8.75 tons). The largest living crocodilian, the saltwater crocodile, is less than two-thirds of that length (6.3 meters or 20.6 ft is the longest confirmed individual) and a small fraction of the weight (1,200 kg, or 1.3 tons). The very largest Sarcosuchus is believed to have been the oldest. Osteoderm growth rings taken from an 80% grown individual (based on comparison to largest individual found) suggest that Sarcosuchus kept growing throughout its entire 50–60 year average life span. Modern crocodiles grow at a rapid rate, reaching their adult size in about a decade, then growing more slowly afterward. Its skull alone was as big as a human adult (1.78 m, or 5 ft 10 inches). The upper jaw overlapped the lower jaw, creating an overbite. The jaws were relatively narrow (especially in juveniles). The snout comprises about 75% of the skull's length. ![]() Carcharodontosaurus saharicus This huge meat eater was 45 feet long (5 feet longer than T-rex) and weighed ............? , making it one of the largest carnivores that ever walked the earth. This African carnosaur had a gigantic 5’4" long skull and enormous jaws with 8" long serrated teeth. It walked on two legs, had a massive tail, bulky body and short arms ending in three-fingered hands with sharp claws. Carcharodontosaurus is one of the longest and heaviest known carnivorous dinosaurs, with various scientists proposing length estimates ranging between 12 and 13 m (39-43.5 ft) and weight estimates between 6 and 15 metric tons. Its long, muscular legs, and fossilized trackways indicate that it could run about 20 miles per hour, though there is some controversy as to whether it actually did, a forward fall would have been deadly to Carcharodontosaurus, due to the inability of its small arms to brace the animal when it landed. Carcharodontosaurus was a carnivore, with enormous jaws and long, serrated teeth up to eight inches long. ![]() ___________________________________________________________________________
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| Godzillasaurus | Aug 8 2013, 02:08 AM Post #16 |
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When disregarding the theropod stepping on its opposer, a large biped whose primary weapons were its jaws and teeth would have a much more difficult time killing an animal with a low center of gravity and an armored back. The tiger did not need to bend down to kill an animal that was clearly unhealthy and smaller than itself. |
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| Ausar | Aug 8 2013, 02:28 AM Post #17 |
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Xi-miqa-can! Xi-miqa-can! Xi-miqa-can!
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Our point was, the armor of crocodyliforms is not impenetrable. |
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| Jinfengopteryx | Aug 8 2013, 02:29 AM Post #18 |
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I have already explained in a blog entry why I doubt this, anyway, this isn't the place for discussing this. |
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| yigit05 | Aug 8 2013, 06:21 AM Post #19 |
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dinosaurus win more bigger ,claws |
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| Ausar | Aug 8 2013, 07:26 AM Post #20 |
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I think this isn't really any different from other land predator vs. crocodyliform matches. On land, Carcharodontosaurus wins. In water, Sarcosuchus easily wins. |
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| Teratophoneus | Aug 8 2013, 08:02 AM Post #21 |
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^ I agree. Carcharodontosaurus win at 60-70 % on land. Sarcosuchus win at 60-70 % on water. |
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| Godzillasaurus | Aug 8 2013, 11:49 AM Post #22 |
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I am fully aware of that. Crocodilian armor still provides a much needed line of extra defense in conflicts though. |
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| Jinfengopteryx | Aug 9 2013, 04:37 AM Post #23 |
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How deep water? Shallow water? |
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| Teratophoneus | Aug 9 2013, 04:40 AM Post #24 |
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Both, although in the shallow water Carch have higher possibily. |
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| Jinfengopteryx | Aug 9 2013, 04:46 AM Post #25 |
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Why is the probability of victory so low for Sarcosuchus even in deep water. In deep water, it would be extremely hard for Carcharodontosaurus to kill it's opponent, as moving wouldn't be easy. |
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| theropod | Aug 9 2013, 05:40 AM Post #26 |
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carchy stands no chance in deep water. Even in shallow water I see it loosing. On land it might be able to pull it off, tough the analogies used for that scenario so far are pretty much hogwash (no offence). ![]() Attacking the back of this skull is probably not a good option as a killing strategy, it's dangerous and the damage it can do is very limited since that's a pretty bony region in crocodiles, and their skulls are pretty thick bones. It could sever the external jaw muscles in that region, but overall it's too risky to approach that skull or bite it willingly. The armour is a real hindrance that will make attacks on the back region very difficult, but probably not unpenetrable, even tough armour-breaking is not among carchy's qualities. Attacking the neck just behind the skull would be much more effective, especially since most osteoderms are on the dorsal side. The side of the neck, which would be bitten if the carnosaur attacked from above, would be relatively unprotected and it could probably sever the carotids and the musculature sufficiently to fatally wound the croc. It can also sever the musulature and tendons of the legs to immobilise the crocodilian. Stepping on the head or body to disable it is an option, and would also serve as a means of inflicting damage due to the sheer weight and foot claws. This is of course faciliated by the stable but low stance of the crocodylomorph. Most likely, I can see Carcharodontosaurus pinning its opponent to the ground with the foot, probably causing internal damage and then place eviscerating bites to the neck and flanks. This might look a bit like a giant bird of prey eating its prey. Edited by theropod, Aug 9 2013, 05:41 AM.
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| Taipan | Dec 19 2013, 11:03 PM Post #27 |
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Here you go! |
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| TheViper | Mar 4 2014, 11:08 PM Post #28 |
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Sarcosuchus and charcarodontosaurus lived in the same time and same place.I will favour charcarodontosaurus but I think it would be a 53-47 |
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