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Who wins?
Ngandong Tiger 2 (66.7%)
American Bison 1 (33.3%)
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Ngandong Tiger v American Bison
Topic Started: Oct 7 2013, 08:52 PM (3,309 Views)
Taipan
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Ngandong Tiger - Panthera (tigris) soloensis
The Ngandong tiger (Panthera tigris soloensis), is an extinct subspecies of tiger which lived in what is now the Sundaland region of Indonesia in the Pleistocene epoch.The few remains of P. t. soloensis known suggest that the animal would have been about the size of a modern-day Bengal tiger. However, other specimens suggest an animal larger than any of the modern tigers in Indonesia. Heltler and Volmer (2007) estimated that a large male could potentially weigh up to 470 kg (1,040 pounds), heavier than the Bengal tiger, one of the largest extant cats. Although Raúl Valvert (2014) later estimated the head-body length to be between 172 and 233 cm (5.64 and 7.64 ft), while the total length was estimated to be 258–350 cm (8.46–11.48 ft), both taken in straight line. The minimum weight for females was estimated at 143 kg (315 lb), with males weighing up to 368 kg (811 lb), with exceptional specimen weighing up to 400 kg (880 lb).

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American Bison - Bison bison
The American bison (Bison bison), also commonly known as the American buffalo, is a North American species of bison that once roamed the grasslands of North America in massive herds. Their range once roughly comprised a triangle between the Great Bear Lake in Canada's far northwest, south to the Mexican states of Durango and Nuevo León, and east along the western boundary of the Appalachian Mountains. bison has a shaggy, long, dark brown winter coat, and a lighter weight, lighter brown summer coat. As is typical in ungulates, the male bison are slightly larger than the female. Plains bison are often in the smaller range of sizes, and Wood bison in the larger range. Head-and-body length ranges from 2 to 3.5 m (6.6 to 11.5 ft) long, the tail adding 30 to 91 cm (12 to 36 in). Shoulder height in the species can range from 152 to 186 cm (60 to 73 in). Typical weigh can range from 318 to 1,000 kg (700 to 2,200 lb).

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yigit05
Oct 7 2013, 04:27 AM
ngandong tiger vs american bison
Edited by Taipan, Dec 16 2016, 10:39 PM.
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jimmy
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I'll give this fight even to a modern tiger or lion if they are large enough, i dont see bison as a very agile bovine to beat any large cat species which possess so much agility. Bison may be good against bulky animals like bear for example but against cats it is at too much disadvantage. It's head cannot go clear off it's shoulder line and it's neck aren't that mobile to reach the attacking cat. Bison only has brute bulldogging strength up front but rather weak in every department if faced with a large tactical carnivore like big cats.
Edited by jimmy, Oct 8 2013, 06:22 PM.
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I'm surprised this hasn't been made before.


Anyway, I think the tiger wins this.
Edited by Vivyx, Mar 12 2016, 05:57 AM.
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yigit05
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tiger win stronger bite,agility,claws,better weapons
bison more bigger,horn,hoof
55/45 win
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TIKI
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In the open field, no contest, Tiger takes this. Bison aren't as agile or dexterous enough for a quick cat like the Tiger.
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A 470 KG TIGER???
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thesporerex
Oct 12 2013, 08:56 PM
A 470 KG TIGER???
Nah, the method used in estimating that figure overestimates the mass of large felids. I would bet it at around the region of ~300-400 kilograms.
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SpinoInWonderland
Oct 12 2013, 09:45 PM
thesporerex
Oct 12 2013, 08:56 PM
A 470 KG TIGER???
Nah, the method used in estimating that figure overestimates the mass of large felids. I would bet it at around the region of ~300-400 kilograms.
That is still close to the weight of the American lion and Smilodon though, still blows my mind B-) :D
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Oculus kageyamii
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The large Tiger wins. She would have enough strength along with her agility to overcome the Bison's strength and topple the beast, where she gets on top of the bovine and eats the beast's flesh.
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thesporerex
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Tiger wins due to the reasons stated above
Edited by thesporerex, Oct 14 2013, 07:30 AM.
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thesporerex
Oct 12 2013, 10:41 PM
SpinoInWonderland
Oct 12 2013, 09:45 PM
thesporerex
Oct 12 2013, 08:56 PM
A 470 KG TIGER???
Nah, the method used in estimating that figure overestimates the mass of large felids. I would bet it at around the region of ~300-400 kilograms.
That is still close to the weight of the American lion and Smilodon though, still blows my mind B-) :D
Unreliable,

Measurement are from a femur reported by Koenigsvald (1933). A long femur,similar to modern tiger not as big cave lions. Alan Turner, excluded the big cat from the list of 'Prehistoric Cats.
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1.0reef
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Agreed, American Lions were also downsized a bit IIRC.
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Vodmeister
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This tiger was nonetheless still larger than today's Amur tigers and Bengal tigers. I would still back it over a bison, marginally.
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Anyone got a reference for this comparatively limited bison dexterity and agility (I assume they mean for a bovid)? Nevertheless, given how tigers can still at times take gaur (maybe more so than one might think) I would still give P. t. soloensis fairly good chances against a bison, but I'm not sure if it'll win more often than not.
Edited by Ausar, Aug 30 2014, 07:12 AM.
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